Re: [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-24 Thread MORREALE Jean Roc
Le 23/07/2014 16:29, AntonioLocandro a écrit : Just a thought here but if billion dollar company having thousands of workers releases just one major version (with actual new features and refactoring) and one or two minor releases (mainly bug fixes) why should QGIS try to do something like the

Re: [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-23 Thread Paolo Cavallini
Il 22/07/2014 21:27, Andrew ha scritto: Also, I was just looking at the QGIS homepage and found it quite difficult to figure out how to contribute to documentation. Agreed: please make suggestions, even better pull requests, so we can improve in this regard. Thanks. -- Paolo Cavallini -

Re: [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-23 Thread Otto Dassau
Hi Simon, this sounds like a very good idea to me. At the moment documenters look at the commit logs for a [FEATURE] comment and add it to a wiki list. Then search through all mls, wikis and blogs, if there is some howto available or at a least a short discussion or description about that

Re: [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-23 Thread Nathan Woodrow
We could make a script to just pull out everything with [FEATURE] in the commit between a date range if that will help. Maybe we could create stubs in Tims changelog system using something like this. - Nathan On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 5:28 PM, Otto Dassau das...@gbd-consult.de wrote: Hi Simon,

Re: [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-23 Thread Otto Dassau
Hi Nathan, thanks for the offer, but this is not the problem. After feature freeze we currently do a git log --since=date --grep='FEATURE', that's ok. And Tims changelog is also very helpful and often already fine as a beginning. The result is in the wiki: http://hub.qgis.org/wiki/17/ManualTasks

Re: [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-23 Thread AntonioLocandro
Why QGIS is in such a need to release every 4/6 months? It's obvious the project doesn't have enough resources and I find a bit troublesome that developers in the period add tons of new features yet bug squashes are relatively small and left basically for the last week to be covered by funding.

Re: [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-22 Thread Otto Dassau
Hi, I would prefere another solution instead of changing the releases. The documentation team is in the same situation. We are always behind the releases, but the problem I see is that there are not enough people working on the documents. At the moment we were not even able to start updating the

Re: [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-22 Thread Jonathan Moules
Hi Otto, You make some excellent points. Just to follow on one of them: But usually customers and developers don't think about also spending an additional little amount to document the feature in the QGIS docs and training material. I think that's a QGIS problem. I know when I get quotes for

Re: [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-22 Thread Victor Olaya
+1 to what Otto said. Very good point. Those creating training materials should coordinate and help the core QGIS documentation (both the manual and the training manual) improve. The solution is very simple: Require up to date, accurate documentation for all commits of new features. This is

Re: [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-22 Thread Alexandre Neto
Hi all, On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:10 AM, Otto Dassau das...@gbd-consult.de wrote: a) Trainers could combine their forces and prepair general training materials together that everybody can use and extend. All tools and the document basis is available and provided by QGIS project in the

Re: [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-22 Thread Andrew
Is it a common practice for developer to fill feature requests for Documentation and help whenever they create new features? This would still free developers to keep creating good stuff, and help others to keep track of what needs attention in Docs. Using the visual changelog and scrolling

Re: [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-22 Thread Bernd Vogelgesang
Am 22.07.2014, 12:16 Uhr, schrieb Derek Hohls dho...@csir.co.za: Is it not possible to require an absolutely minimum entry, at the correct place in the docs, for a new feature? For example, if a developer adds a new function X to a list of existing functions, already documented in

Re: [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-22 Thread Larry Shaffer
Hi, I don't think splitting development resources to maintain an LTS branch is going to solve the real issues. In fact, it will probably just cause more. It seems to me that it all boils down to needing more time between releases: * Documentation and development teams need to work more together

Re: [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-22 Thread Simon Cropper
Hi All, It is hard to figure out where in the conversation to interject but Victors counter-suggestion appears appropriate to me. Being involved in several open source projects, creating tutorials for these and having in the past been involved with trying to contribute to the main

Re: [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-21 Thread Kari Salovaara
Hi Lene, Does Your proposal mean that those universities, which start to use QGIS and QGIS based material for education, start to support QGIS development financially and with other resources like man power for testing, fixing etc. ? Cheers,

Re: [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-21 Thread ralfwessels
Hi, I'm also a trainer for QGIS software (I have 2-week-courses every 3 month) and I fully agree with Lene's concerns about the (new) release time schedule. And - in my opinion - it is not only much more work for QGIS trainers to keep their papers up-to-date. I think it also confuses the QGIS

Re: [Qgis-user] Stress about release plans

2014-07-21 Thread Micha Silver
I also do some short training courses using QGIS, and I fully understand and support Lene's idea. On 21/07/2014 18:35, Lene Fischer wrote: Hi, This is not a mail about bugs or issues on a