Re: [Ql-Users] Bluetooth over serial
-Original Message- Dilwyn Jones At just under £50 it seems interesting. Connects straight to a 9-pin D so should only need a simple QL to 9-pin D adaptor. Works at pretty well any baud rate from 1200 up, so good possibilities there especially with a superhermes serial port. Pairing can be achieved with a switch on the unit rather than software. Memory Lane Computing's next project perhaps? (I don't say that lightly, I know what you went through with the SerUsb, Adrian) I'm afraid it's not in my business plan to tackle any further projects using the QL breakfast cereal ports ;) Adrian www.memorylanecomputing.com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[Ql-Users] Bluetooth over serial
Just noticed a nice little posting on QL Forum www.qlforum.co.uk by Rich Mellor about a Z88 forum posting, concerning a serial bluetooth unit being developed for a Z88 by a user who also has a QL and hopes to add one to his QL. This would be of interest to me, so I could connect my phone to the QL via bluetooth. The posting is at http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/Z88/forums/serial-over-bluetooth-t426.html In case that's too long and splits the link, try this URL: http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/Z88/forums/serial-over-bluetooth-t426.html Rich says he hopes some of us will encourage him to develop it for the QL, so I hope he'll let us know an email address for him, as I don't want to subscribe to a Z88 forum as I have no Z88! Dilwyn ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Bluetooth over serial
Interesting. You could probably use this as it stands (though I haven't checked it out) ... http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=387 Adrian www.memorylanecomputing.com -Original Message- From: ql-users-boun...@lists.q-v-d.com [mailto:ql-users-bounces@lists.q-v- d.com] On Behalf Of Dilwyn Jones Sent: 03 August 2011 12:16 To: ql-users@lists.q-v-d.com Subject: [Ql-Users] Bluetooth over serial Just noticed a nice little posting on QL Forum www.qlforum.co.uk by Rich Mellor about a Z88 forum posting, concerning a serial bluetooth unit being developed for a Z88 by a user who also has a QL and hopes to add one to his QL. This would be of interest to me, so I could connect my phone to the QL via bluetooth. The posting is at http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/Z88/forums/serial-over-bluetooth- t426.html In case that's too long and splits the link, try this URL: http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/Z88/forums/serial-over-bluetooth- t426.html Rich says he hopes some of us will encourage him to develop it for the QL, so I hope he'll let us know an email address for him, as I don't want to subscribe to a Z88 forum as I have no Z88! Dilwyn ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Bluetooth over serial
Memory Lane Computing wrote: Interesting. You could probably use this as it stands (though I haven't checked it out) ... http://www.coolcomponents.co.uk/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=387 Adrian www.memorylanecomputing.com At just under £50 it seems interesting. Connects straight to a 9-pin D so should only need a simple QL to 9-pin D adaptor. Works at pretty well any baud rate from 1200 up, so good possibilities there especially with a superhermes serial port. Pairing can be achieved with a switch on the unit rather than software. Memory Lane Computing's next project perhaps? (I don't say that lightly, I know what you went through with the SerUsb, Adrian) Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Bluetooth
SMSQ wrote: Getting a connection is the same with all technologies - they only differ in speed, so you will find it is much easier than it sounds. It is easy. My phone came with pre-configured hard coded settings. I simply chose one and it worked. You don't actually *need* to know all these terms as the charging for the slower rates seems to be exactly the same - ie data only. I *still* don't know whether rates are download only or total - despite asking Vodafone! Tony Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Bluetooth
Sorry, but most of that is meaningless to me: GPRS, UTMS, HSDPA ??? Terminology alone is a nightmare for someone who's never used this service before! I was afraid of this :-( Still, we'll work on it when it arrives to see what we can get out of it - a lot of things on mobile phones are easier to work out than it is to understand the manuals, I find. My son managed to get the file sharing etc working on his phone with his friends at school without a manual (only had the phone a few days and he'd lost the manual!). I guess he's is getting to the age now where he tackles anything on a computer - he's just scripted, filmed and edited a short film as part of his school course and not be outdone I've just had to master Windows Movie Maker in readiness for when he starts throwing his digital video camera recordings at me after christmas! His mum bought him a digital video camera (Aiptek - German made, Jochen will be glad to hear) for about £60 for christmas and I've done my bit by getting him a few SD memory cards (1GB each, how technology has marched on!), card reader and bluetooth dongle and a few other things for less than the price of the camera. The camera itself can record movies, photos, play MP3 and other audio bits and bobs, yet it's smaller than my digital stills camera, the only thing I don't like is the tinty controls. In my youth, we were lucky if we got a Spirograph or similar for Christmas, now kids lives revolve around things digital, things playstation, various MPEG formats and the like. The one thing he hasn't mastered yet is programming, though he's sitting up and taking note at how easy it is for me to write things in S*BASIC and he's wanting to get into writing games. Oh dear, have I created a monster ?!?! Nostalgia ain't what it used to be ;-) -- Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: SMSQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 10, 2007 7:09 PM Subject: Re: [Ql-Users] Bluetooth Hi Dilwyn, well, I am using data with my laptop via Bluetooth and my mobile phone for many years now. First of all, you have to check if your provider has a reasonably priced flat or pseudo-flat-rate. In Germany, you currently pay 25 EUR for a GPRS/UMTS flat. Which is not much, and gives you flexibility. If you have to pay by the minute or per megabyte, it can become expensive. Next, you should check if you have UMTS (G3) at home, because if you only have GPRS, better forget about it. THEORETICALLY, GPRS and analogue landline have the same speed, but they don't. And the ping times are much worse. For example, you can forget about using Ebay via GPRS, it loads too many small things - websites never finish loading. If you have DSL at home, you need at least UMTS or HSDPA to replace it without getting the impression that you downgraded yourself considerably. Once you sorted this out and you have a data tariff, then the next step is to create a dialup for the phone. With Nokia phones and, for example, the Widcomm Bluetooth software, it is quite easy. Search for the services of your phone in the Bluetooth software. There is a DUN (dial up network) service in the services of the phone. Double-click it. All you need to specify now is the Phone number, which is *99# for GPRS/UMTS connections in all the networks I know of. Then you have a GPRS or UMTS connection - that's it, you are ready to surf. The Phone number is more complex on some other phones, like SonyEricsson, but the manual should tell you. It is not difficult, and it is very handy to have. But, no replacement for DSL if you don't have 3.5G or at least 3G. Cheers Jochen Dilwyn Jones wrote: My son recently got a mobile phone with bluetooth, and he says he's been sharing music etc with his mates at school using this between phones. He's asked me for a bluetooth dongle for his PC which only costs a couple of pounds. He reckons he should be able to use it to connect his PC to his mobile phone to access the web, since his mother doesn't have a landline. This gives me an interesting option - I make very little use of my landline for voice calls - my main use of it is to maintain my QL website, general web access and email. In other words, the bulk of the cost is landline rental. How feasible is to set up a web connection via such a setup - cheap bluetooth dongle on the PC with a bluetooth equipped phone, and how does one go about it? It would also allow me to work on my website etc while away from home. -- Jochen Merz Software - Kaiser-Wilhelm-Str. 302 - D-47169 Duisburg Tel. +49-(0)203-502011 Fax +49-(0)203-502012 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://SMSQ.J-M-S.COM ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus
Re: [Ql-Users] Bluetooth
Hi Dilwyn, just to give you a rough idea about the terms and the downlink speed: GPRS (GSM 2 or 2.5) is the slowest packet-oriented mobile phone data. A GPRS connection is usually shown in your mobile phone with a G, or a G surrounded by a box (depends on your phone). Speed can be compared to an analogue line (56k). EDGE (called GSM 2.75) is the next step (but not widely available), usually marked with an E in your phone. Maximum realistic data rates are about 5 times GPRS (230k). UMTS (or GSM 3 or G3, third generation GSM) is about as fast as a slow DSL line (768k). A UMTS data connection is usually indicated by G3. HSDPA (or GSM 3.5), short for High-Speed Downlink Packet Access allows 1.8MBit, 3.6, 7.2 and 14.4 Mbits. I have used 3.6 MBits in Austria and it feels quite good - like a DSL line. Again, I suggest you visit the website of your mobile phone provider and look for GPRS coverage - there is usually a map showing which area supports GRPS, EDGE, UMTS or HSDPA (if the network supports it all). Getting a connection is the same with all technologies - they only differ in speed, so you will find it is much easier than it sounds. Cheers Jochen Dilwyn Jones wrote: Sorry, but most of that is meaningless to me: GPRS, UTMS, HSDPA ??? Terminology alone is a nightmare for someone who's never used this service before! I was afraid of this :-( Still, we'll work on it when it arrives to see what we can get out of it - a lot of things on mobile phones are easier to work out than it is to understand the manuals, I find. My son managed to get the file sharing etc working on his phone with his friends at school without a manual (only had the phone a few days and he'd lost the manual!). I guess he's is getting to the age now where he tackles anything on a computer - he's just scripted, filmed and edited a short film as part of his school course and not be outdone I've just had to master Windows Movie Maker in readiness for when he starts throwing his digital video camera recordings at me after christmas! His mum bought him a digital video camera (Aiptek - German made, Jochen will be glad to hear) for about £60 for christmas and I've done my bit by getting him a few SD memory cards (1GB each, how technology has marched on!), card reader and bluetooth dongle and a few other things for less than the price of the camera. The camera itself can record movies, photos, play MP3 and other audio bits and bobs, yet it's smaller than my digital stills camera, the only thing I don't like is the tinty controls. In my youth, we were lucky if we got a Spirograph or similar for Christmas, now kids lives revolve around things digital, things playstation, various MPEG formats and the like. The one thing he hasn't mastered yet is programming, though he's sitting up and taking note at how easy it is for me to write things in S*BASIC and he's wanting to get into writing games. Oh dear, have I created a monster ?!?! Nostalgia ain't what it used to be ;-) -- Jochen Merz Software - Kaiser-Wilhelm-Str. 302 - D-47169 Duisburg Tel. +49-(0)203-502011 Fax +49-(0)203-502012 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://SMSQ.J-M-S.COM ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Bluetooth
Vodafone have an addon for any monthly contract that gives 120mb per month for £7.50. T-Mobile give you: £7.50/month - Unlimited (1GB fair use - not a cap but they ask you to use less, IM/IRC not officially allowed but work anyway) £12.50/month - Unlimited (3GB fair use, IM/IRC etc. allowed officially (i.e. supported)). £22.50/month - Unlimited (10GB fair use, all services allowed including VoIP). The point of all this was of course to avoid line rentals and fixed rates, as I am a very light user - my typical BT phone bill is mostly line rental, even all my internet access, website updates etc and voice calls all come to less than the rental. So PAYG is definitely attractive and cheaper to people like me on very low incomes. Even if I don't go to mobile-only I'll definitely go to something like Post Office phone service because of its lower rental costs and the attraction of free evening and weekend calls coupled with free calls to other users on same network without much complication and endless needs to study and compare all the plan options and so on - BT's options are far too complex and embroiled in small print - in the case of what I've been studying from BT, quite literally very small print in grey, I can read very small print but even my eyesight gives up with BT small print, in their case the term small print should be changed to small-and-faint-print. -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Bluetooth
just to give you a rough idea about the terms and the downlink speed: Very helpful, thanks. GPRS (GSM 2 or 2.5) is the slowest packet-oriented mobile phone data. A GPRS connection is usually shown in your mobile phone with a G, or a G surrounded by a box (depends on your phone). Speed can be compared to an analogue line (56k). Would be perfectly adequate for me for the use I'd make of it. -- Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Bluetooth
SMSQ wrote: snip It is not difficult, and it is very handy to have. But, no replacement for DSL if you don't have 3.5G or at least 3G. Vodafone have an addon for any monthly contract that gives 120mb per month for £7.50. Naturally the site is very lacking in details. No mention of what they charge for more than 120mb, or whether this is total traffic or just download. I used GPRS and found it pretty fast to download, and even large pages (350k) completed quite quickly. Most impressive was the way the browser re-assembled page stricture and re-sized images to make them viewable. Pings will of course be awful without 3G. However I think Dilwyn is *very* unlikely to be within miles of 3G. The *only* place I have found it in my area is central London. However pings and the like for his website updates will not be an issue. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:257/67) +44(0)1442-828255 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 Skype: tonyfirshman TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [Ql-Users] Bluetooth
On 10 Dec 2007, at 20:22, Tony Firshman wrote: SMSQ wrote: snip It is not difficult, and it is very handy to have. But, no replacement for DSL if you don't have 3.5G or at least 3G. Vodafone have an addon for any monthly contract that gives 120mb per month for £7.50. T-Mobile give you: £7.50/month - Unlimited (1GB fair use - not a cap but they ask you to use less, IM/IRC not officially allowed but work anyway) £12.50/month - Unlimited (3GB fair use, IM/IRC etc. allowed officially (i.e. supported)). £22.50/month - Unlimited (10GB fair use, all services allowed including VoIP). Or if you don't have a contract with them, you can have a web-only package for £20/month which gives you a USB or PC-card modem (maybe only USB now) for £20/month which allows everything. Finally, if you buy a PayG SIM card, data is capped at £1/day. So in any 24 hour period, you can use all the data you want for £1. IRC and IM work. O2 have the worst deal - £7.50/month for Unlimited 200MB with a cap, after which you pay £1.80/MB. Which strikes me as 200MB, not Unlimited. And they block everything bar websites, pretty much. Richard -- Tasty Other - Because Far Too Much in Life Makes Sense Music for download - coming soon (RIP MP3.com) G.A.S. http://www.dmc12.demon.co.uk/music/ Platform: PowerMac G5 2.0GHz Dual, 20 LCD, Logic, Hammerfall. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
