Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me
Ok, but it *had* worked without problems. But the program was abandonded after the changes in PE. - Original Message - From: "Wolf" Hi, IIRC that's because you might get non rectangular outlines. That complicates matters quite bit, when saving/restoring part of the window. HTH Wolfgang On 04/07/2016 08:06 PM, Ralf Reköndt wrote: I remember that the first PE versions allowed secondaries to be outside of primaries, and that worked, as I have seen at minimum one program, ehich have used that. I am not sure, why TT has changed that. Cheers...Ralf - Original Message - From: "Marcel Kilgus" Dilwyn Jones wrote: Would it be possible for the AppMan program outline to be changed? It seems to cover the whole screen whereas actually using only a small percentage of it, hiding all other programs in the process. IIRC that is because it is able to display the menus and it can only do this in its own outline. Not knowing how big the menus you're going to load are it makes sense to use the whole screen. A bit like with EasyMenu itself, though I did implemented resize and move for it after much prodding. ___ QL-Users Mailing List ___ QL-Users Mailing List ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me
Ralf Reköndt wrote: > I remember that the first PE versions allowed secondaries to be outside of > primaries, and that worked, as I have seen at minimum one program, ehich > have used that. I am not sure, why TT has changed that. Wild guess: because every secondary window then had to have its own save area and that was not sustainable with only 128kb of RAM. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me
I remember that the first PE versions allowed secondaries to be outside of primaries, and that worked, as I have seen at minimum one program, ehich have used that. I am not sure, why TT has changed that. Cheers...Ralf - Original Message - From: "Marcel Kilgus" Dilwyn Jones wrote: Would it be possible for the AppMan program outline to be changed? It seems to cover the whole screen whereas actually using only a small percentage of it, hiding all other programs in the process. IIRC that is because it is able to display the menus and it can only do this in its own outline. Not knowing how big the menus you're going to load are it makes sense to use the whole screen. A bit like with EasyMenu itself, though I did implemented resize and move for it after much prodding. ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me
Ok, but it *had* worked without problems. But the program was abandonded after the changes in PE. - Original Message - From: "Wolf" Hi, IIRC that's because you might get non rectangular outlines. That complicates matters quite bit, when saving/restoring part of the window. HTH Wolfgang On 04/07/2016 08:06 PM, Ralf Reköndt wrote: I remember that the first PE versions allowed secondaries to be outside of primaries, and that worked, as I have seen at minimum one program, ehich have used that. I am not sure, why TT has changed that. Cheers...Ralf - Original Message - From: "Marcel Kilgus" Dilwyn Jones wrote: Would it be possible for the AppMan program outline to be changed? It seems to cover the whole screen whereas actually using only a small percentage of it, hiding all other programs in the process. IIRC that is because it is able to display the menus and it can only do this in its own outline. Not knowing how big the menus you're going to load are it makes sense to use the whole screen. A bit like with EasyMenu itself, though I did implemented resize and move for it after much prodding. ___ QL-Users Mailing List ___ QL-Users Mailing List ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me
SETW is the program I was trying to remember, and failing miserably! Dilwyn, sorry, I can't remember which edition of Quanta the articles were originally published in. I checked my ources and they are not Quill, nor are they Perfection. I have a vague recollection that they might be Write.exe but I'm not sure anymore. I thought they were Quill. Cheers, Norm. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me
Hi, IIRC that's because you might get non rectangular outlines. That complicates matters quite bit, when saving/restoring part of the window. HTH Wolfgang On 04/07/2016 08:06 PM, Ralf Reköndt wrote: I remember that the first PE versions allowed secondaries to be outside of primaries, and that worked, as I have seen at minimum one program, ehich have used that. I am not sure, why TT has changed that. Cheers...Ralf - Original Message - From: "Marcel Kilgus" Dilwyn Jones wrote: Would it be possible for the AppMan program outline to be changed? It seems to cover the whole screen whereas actually using only a small percentage of it, hiding all other programs in the process. IIRC that is because it is able to display the menus and it can only do this in its own outline. Not knowing how big the menus you're going to load are it makes sense to use the whole screen. A bit like with EasyMenu itself, though I did implemented resize and move for it after much prodding. ___ QL-Users Mailing List ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me
I remember that the first PE versions allowed secondaries to be outside of primaries, and that worked, as I have seen at minimum one program, ehich have used that. I am not sure, why TT has changed that. Cheers...Ralf - Original Message - From: "Marcel Kilgus" Dilwyn Jones wrote: Would it be possible for the AppMan program outline to be changed? It seems to cover the whole screen whereas actually using only a small percentage of it, hiding all other programs in the process. IIRC that is because it is able to display the menus and it can only do this in its own outline. Not knowing how big the menus you're going to load are it makes sense to use the whole screen. A bit like with EasyMenu itself, though I did implemented resize and move for it after much prodding. ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me
Thanks all for the birthday wishes. It seems I'm not the only one with "leaky RAM" then, judging by the comments. Could someone please put John Gilpin out of his PDF misery and feed the Easy Pointer Guide I wrote through QStripper and save the files as PDFs. The utility creates text searchable ones as opposed to bitmapped ones. I would do it myself, but for some reason, I think the source files I have are Windows 3.11 WRITE.EXE format, and I don't have that any more. Or Word. Or Windows! Thanks. Cheers, Norm. -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me
Op Thu, 07 Apr 2016 16:25:29 +0200 schreef Dilwyn Jones : The reason for that fullscreen is that when you View a menu from the list this will most likely be bigger than the Main AppMan window, so the outline is set as big as possible.Some time ago Per Witte suggested a way to aviod this but I need to delve into the whole subject-matter again before I can begin to change that (my RAM is not what it used to be). Would it be possible for the viewing to be done as a separate job called from AppMan which had its own outline for the duration of the viewing, for example? (...) I believe that was the basic idea. A lot of parameters need to be passed to the other job and I never got around to working that out. It's back on top of the pile now. Bob -- The BSJR QL software site at: http://members.upc.nl/b.spelten/ql/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me
> The reason for that fullscreen is that when you View a menu from the list > this will most likely be bigger than the Main AppMan window, so the > outline is set as big as possible. > Some time ago Per Witte suggested a way to aviod this but I need to delve > into the whole subject-matter again before I can begin to change that (my > RAM is not what it used to be). Would it be possible for the viewing to be done as a separate job called from AppMan which had its own outline for the duration of the viewing, for example? But the program works well as it is, so... if it can be done great, if it can't be done, no problem either. BTW, if anyone wants to try Easyptr for the first time, read Norman's introduction to Easyptr (its based on an older version of Easyptr, but still applicable, although it doesn't go into high colour stuff) it is available as a Quill DOC file and separate pictures until John Gilpin finishes his PDF of it from the articles which appeared in Quanta some years ago. Download it from http://www.dilwyn.me.uk/docs/easyptr/index.html Dilwyn - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7497 / Virus Database: 4545/11979 - Release Date: 04/07/16 ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me
Dilwyn Jones wrote: > Along with people like Bob, I remember breaking your hard work a few times, > I think it was down to me doing things nobody thought of like an application > window menu with just one or item or something like that. Hope you've > forgiven us all by now ;-) Forgive you, Bob and Per? Never! :-) The whole application menu code can give you nightmares and I'm still rather astonished that I was able to fix anything at all... Cheers, Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me
Op Thu, 07 Apr 2016 15:31:58 +0200 schreef Dilwyn Jones : It's about time I finish my update for AppMan. Bob Would it be possible for the AppMan program outline to be changed? It seems to cover the whole screen whereas actually using only a small percentage of it, hiding all other programs in the process. That's my only little niggle about it, fantastic program otherwise. The reason for that fullscreen is that when you View a menu from the list this will most likely be bigger than the Main AppMan window, so the outline is set as big as possible. Some time ago Per Witte suggested a way to aviod this but I need to delve into the whole subject-matter again before I can begin to change that (my RAM is not what it used to be). Bob -- The BSJR QL software site at: http://members.upc.nl/b.spelten/ql/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me
Dilwyn Jones wrote: > Would it be possible for the AppMan program outline to be changed? It seems > to cover the whole screen whereas actually using only a small percentage of > it, hiding all other programs in the process. IIRC that is because it is able to display the menus and it can only do this in its own outline. Not knowing how big the menus you're going to load are it makes sense to use the whole screen. A bit like with EasyMenu itself, though I did implemented resize and move for it after much prodding. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me
> On 7 Apr 2016, at 12:19, Norman Dunbar wrote: > > A most enjoyable read, thanks Marcel. I might even take you up on the offer > of EasyMenu 4 sometime, but these days I'm using George's not-quite-WYSIWYG > assembly utilities. (Due to old age - 56 today - I'm afraid I can't remember > the damned name of the utility I use! Aargh! Better book my etirement home > soon I think. :-( I certainly find it very hard to remember things. I do remember that my assembler routines are referred to as EasyPEasy and they are on my website. From that I can find the names of any specific program. I see also that my website contains something called TurboPTR which enables you to write PE programs in S*BASIC and then compile them with TURBO. This must be similar to EasyPtr. George ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me
Fantastic. I've used Easyptr for many years and was so delighted when Easyptr 4 came out and I could write programs for wman2 in compiled basic. I guess had it not been for Marcel, i might not have written all those "grey" programs over the years - they'd still be black, white, green and red. Absolutely delighted that you have chosen to make Easyptr 4 free. Between that and George's TurboPTR and EasyPEasy (never used EasyPEasy - must try it sometime) there's no excuse not to write such programs these days. Once John Gilpin has finished making his PDF of Norman's Idiot's Guide (or whatever it was called, sorry Norman, old age memory caught up with me too it seems)... Along with people like Bob, I remember breaking your hard work a few times, I think it was down to me doing things nobody thought of like an application window menu with just one or item or something like that. Hope you've forgiven us all by now ;-) Thank you Marcel. Dilwyn Jones -Original Message- From: Marcel Kilgus Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2016 11:44 PM To: ql-us...@q-v-d.com Subject: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me I wrote up a short tale about my life with EasyPtr. Plus there's a gift at the end: http://www.kilgus.net/2016/04/07/easyptr-and-me/ Enjoy! If not the tale, then at least the gift ;) Cheers, Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7497 / Virus Database: 4545/11975 - Release Date: 04/06/16 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7497 / Virus Database: 4545/11979 - Release Date: 04/07/16 ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me
It's about time I finish my update for AppMan. Bob Would it be possible for the AppMan program outline to be changed? It seems to cover the whole screen whereas actually using only a small percentage of it, hiding all other programs in the process. That's my only little niggle about it, fantastic program otherwise. Dilwyn - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7497 / Virus Database: 4545/11979 - Release Date: 04/07/16 ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me
Op 7/04/2016 om 0:44 schreef Marcel Kilgus: I wrote up a short tale about my life with EasyPtr. Plus there's a gift at the end: http://www.kilgus.net/2016/04/07/easyptr-and-me/ Enjoy! If not the tale, then at least the gift ;) Cheers, Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List Many thanks Marcel. I bought my copy many years ago in Eindhoven at one of the many QL shows there. I remember we had to queue for updates/upgrades (QD, Easyptr, QPC,...) at Jochen's stand. François Van Emelen ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me
Bob Spelten wrote: >> I wrote up a short tale about my life with EasyPtr. Plus there's a >> gift at the end: >> >> http://www.kilgus.net/2016/04/07/easyptr-and-me/ >> >> Enjoy! If not the tale, then at least the gift ;) Cheers, Marcel > > I like the tale. Thanks. > My copy of EP3 was bought in '93 at an Eindhoven meeting from Albin > Hessler himself. Then I probably was there, too, but in the before-QPC times still somewhat of an unknown ;) > And you may remember when you worked on EP4, SuQcess tested areas not > reached before. I have successfully suppressed most of that memory :-) But I myself learned a bit about application windows then... I always found them kind of difficult to use. > It's about time I finish my update for AppMan. I can update the distribution if you finish it. Cheers, Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me
Op Thu, 07 Apr 2016 00:44:35 +0200 schreef Marcel Kilgus : I wrote up a short tale about my life with EasyPtr. Plus there's a gift at the end: http://www.kilgus.net/2016/04/07/easyptr-and-me/ Enjoy! If not the tale, then at least the gift ;) Cheers, Marcel I like the tale. My copy of EP3 was bought in '93 at an Eindhoven meeting from Albin Hessler himself. It was not as easy as I thought and lay dormant for many years. Not until Wolfgang Uhlig gave me the sources of SuQcess did I really understand how to use it. And you may remember when you worked on EP4, SuQcess tested areas not reached before. It also made it easier for me to understand QPTR. It's about time I finish my update for AppMan. Bob -- The BSJR QL software site at: http://members.upc.nl/b.spelten/ql/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me
Norman Dunbar wrote: > What Darren said! ;-) > > A most enjoyable read, thanks Marcel. I might even take you up on > the offer of EasyMenu 4 sometime, but these days I'm using George's > not-quite-WYSIWYG assembly utilities. You can always use EasyMenu to design the menu and EasySource to generate the assembler source from it ;-) I guess George's utilities work with standard definitions, too, don't they? > (Due to old age - 56 today - Today? Happy birthday then :-) Cheers, Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me
What Darren said! ;-) A most enjoyable read, thanks Marcel. I might even take you up on the offer of EasyMenu 4 sometime, but these days I'm using George's not-quite-WYSIWYG assembly utilities. (Due to old age - 56 today - I'm afraid I can't remember the damned name of the utility I use! Aargh! Better book my etirement home soon I think. :-( Cheers, Norm. On 7 April 2016 00:24:03 BST, Darren Branagh wrote: >What an enjoyable read :-) > >Thanks for the memories mate. > >D. >On 6 Apr 2016 23:44, "Marcel Kilgus" wrote: > >> I wrote up a short tale about my life with EasyPtr. Plus there's a >> gift at the end: >> >> http://www.kilgus.net/2016/04/07/easyptr-and-me/ >> >> Enjoy! If not the tale, then at least the gift ;) Cheers, Marcel >> >> ___ >> QL-Users Mailing List >> >___ >QL-Users Mailing List -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ QL-Users Mailing List
Re: [Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me
What an enjoyable read :-) Thanks for the memories mate. D. On 6 Apr 2016 23:44, "Marcel Kilgus" wrote: > I wrote up a short tale about my life with EasyPtr. Plus there's a > gift at the end: > > http://www.kilgus.net/2016/04/07/easyptr-and-me/ > > Enjoy! If not the tale, then at least the gift ;) Cheers, Marcel > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > ___ QL-Users Mailing List
[Ql-Users] EasyPtr and me
I wrote up a short tale about my life with EasyPtr. Plus there's a gift at the end: http://www.kilgus.net/2016/04/07/easyptr-and-me/ Enjoy! If not the tale, then at least the gift ;) Cheers, Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List