[ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Phoebus Dokos
Hmmm, it's that time of year again So I had a good idea for a flaming (I need it since it's cold in Pennsylvania now ;-) What about rewriting QDOS/SMS (or converting the assembly sources) in order to run NATIVELY on x86 processors. There are a number of nice tools available for that

RE: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Norman Dunbar
Phoebus, You are really sad :o) Why leave a perfectly good Greece for a home in Pennsylvania ? I can see a couple of (minor) flaws with your suggestion, but as an exercise, it appeals to my sense of humor quite a bit. The flaws are : what happens if we use PortAsm/68K and there are bugs in

RE: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Phoebus Dokos
At 01:50 ìì 10/10/2001 +0100, you wrote: Phoebus, You are really sad :o) Oh yeah! :-) Why leave a perfectly good Greece for a home in Pennsylvania ? Hmmm I still wonder, but fear not I'll be back to Europe soon (3/4 years... once I am done with college)... It's plainly too dangerous at

RE: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Ian . Pine
Have you SEEN Intel assembly - it is awful ! :O) The NASM syntax is better - using brackets for all address expressions and not bothering with % signs for registers makes it look clearer. I find 68k assembler easier though. My only gripe is all those .Bs, .Ws, etc. can make it look a mess. I

RE: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Claude Mourier 00
I wonder what is QPC overhead (it's not to offense Marcel : QPC is a great product) : does anybody know the slowdown factor eaten by the emulator, or in other word, what is the factor to apply to the speed of SMSQ under QPC to have an idea of SMSQ speed written directly for x86 ? Claude

RE: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Norman Dunbar
Ian, BTW I missed most of the assembler articles in QL Toady. Are they available online, or as back issues? Not yet I'm afraid, but I'm sure that there are back issues available. The main problem is, I write one article but Jochen decides that I cannot be allowed to use up 80% of the

RE: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Norman Dunbar
Phoebus, Then again QDOS DOES have bugs anyways...every program does :-) (Even yours ;-)) Remember some funny things with FP numbers about 1 year ago?) hehe No I don't remember (honest) I remember some problems with QLiberator though ! And what bugs do you refer to :o) Regards,

Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Jerome Grimbert
Trolling Writing an OS for a processor family is nothing, compared to the needed writing for peripheral supports. So, as well as generic x86 support, what about GENERIC x86 compatible supports of hardware in the OS. Natively of course, NO PC BIOS. (there is no Bios on some embeded card, so

RE: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Phoebus Dokos
At 02:52 ìì 10/10/2001 +0100, you wrote: Phoebus, Then again QDOS DOES have bugs anyways...every program does :-) (Even yours ;-)) Remember some funny things with FP numbers about 1 year ago?) hehe No I don't remember (honest) I remember some problems with QLiberator though ! And

Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Phoebus Dokos
At 04:10 ìì 10/10/2001 +0200, you wrote: Trolling Writing an OS for a processor family is nothing, compared to the needed writing for peripheral supports. So, as well as generic x86 support, what about GENERIC x86 compatible supports of hardware in the OS. Natively of course, NO PC BIOS.

RE: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Phoebus Dokos
At 10:34 ðì 10/10/2001 -0500, you wrote: At 02:52 ìì 10/10/2001 +0100, you wrote: Phoebus, Then again QDOS DOES have bugs anyways...every program does :-) (Even yours ;-)) Remember some funny things with FP numbers about 1 year ago?) hehe No I don't remember (honest) I remember some

RE: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Norman Dunbar
Oh, those bugs ! I remember now - I must get around to fixing them !!! Norman. - Norman Dunbar EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Database/Unix administrator Phone: 0113 289 6265

RE: Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Ian . Pine
Hmmm, an easier approach might be to write a version of SMSQ as an XFree86-style user interface to run on Linux. The hardware support is then already done and QDOS filesystems could be implemented with QXL.WIN files. Produce an SMSQ/QDOS API and you could write programs using familiar OS

[ql-users] e-maill: ENCODING

2001-10-10 Thread John Hitchcock
Re: It is not you, Tony, it is the setting that John has I believe ... which has been changed from - Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii . Possibly to a M$ alternative :-( Yep - that is what the TP programmers tell me. They _very_ politely advise that Malcolm ditch his ISP. Not a QL topic

[ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message Hb5f1151beb4.1002729565.ln4p1327.ldn.swissbank.com@MHS, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Norman has just sent me the texts of his articles, but the back issues are still of interest generally. Back in the late '70s/early '80s I used to buy computing mags like Practical Computing and

[ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Phoebus Dokos [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes All the system variables, Basic variables, interrupts, vectors, traps whouldn't be there any more so we'd have to either code in C - oops, forgot, we can't, no C compiler :o) True partially. A compiler could be (relatively)

Re: [ql-users] e-maill: ENCODING

2001-10-10 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message 004101c151a3$0b97c760$3ca66fd4@o5e1c0, John Hitchcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Re: It is not you, Tony, it is the setting that John has I believe ... which has been changed from - Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii . Possibly to a M$ alternative :-( Yep - that is what the TP

[ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes QL Toady back issues:- Clip Never bought any as I've been a subscriber from day one :-)) Are you sure that wasn't the 'day after', day one ... :-) -- Malcolm Cadman

[ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] k, Norman Dunbar [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes - Norman Dunbar EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Database/Unix administratorPhone: 0113 289 6265 Fax:

Re: [ql-users] Need some flaming :-) - What about re-writing QDOS for x86 processors

2001-10-10 Thread Marcel Kilgus
Claude Mourier 00 wrote: I wonder what is QPC overhead (it's not to offense Marcel : QPC is a great product) : does anybody know the slowdown factor eaten by the emulator, or in other word, what is the factor to apply to the speed of SMSQ under QPC to have an idea of SMSQ speed written