RE: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-11 Thread Norman Dunbar
-Original Message- From: Tony Firshman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ... the tails are bent round in a tight 180% degrees, and the bend is under tension. If I remember correctly, 180 degrees is not bent at all - it's a straight line. Don't you mean 360 degrees :o) (Sorry, couldn't

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-11 Thread Tony Firshman
On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 at 08:21:39, Norman Dunbar wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) -Original Message- From: Tony Firshman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ... the tails are bent round in a tight 180% degrees, and the bend is under tension. If I remember correctly, 180 degrees is not bent at

RE: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-11 Thread Norman Dunbar
-Original Message- From: Tony Firshman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 9:18 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ql-users] Membranes No - I mean 180 degrees. Tails come out on one direction in the line of the keyplate, and are bent 180 degrees back, hard

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-11 Thread Darren . Branagh
Dilwyn wrote:- My favourite though was the little Diren keyboard interface. Tiny, easy to install and reliable. Pity Robin Barker stopped doing that one. I have about 3 or 4 customers wanting a Di-Ren keyboard interface. Many need one over the sH because it doesn't need drivers - it works

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-11 Thread paulholm
Tony Firshman wrote: On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 at 08:21:39, Norman Dunbar wrote: -Original Message- From: Tony Firshman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] ... the tails are bent round in a tight 180% degrees, and the bend is under tension. If I remember correctly, 180 degrees is not bent

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-11 Thread Bill Waugh
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 10:12 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Membranes Dilwyn wrote:- My favourite though was the little Diren keyboard interface. Tiny, easy to install and reliable. Pity Robin Barker stopped

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-11 Thread P Witte
Al Feng writes: For example, I own a fairly early QXL card -- nice, but it wasn't stressed (mentioned? ... oops!?!) that the screen image was reduced (i.e., equivalent, at best, of a 10 when viewed on a standard 14 VGA Sounds odd. Is this a problem with early QXLs or can anyone help Al here?

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-11 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes Dilwyn wrote:- My favourite though was the little Diren keyboard interface. Tiny, easy to install and reliable. Pity Robin Barker stopped doing that one. I have about 3 or 4 customers wanting a Di-Ren keyboard interface. Many need one over

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-11 Thread Tony Firshman
On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 at 00:08:10, P Witte wrote: (ref: 001801c1c946$aca80230$0100a8c0@gamma) Al Feng writes: I *know* (for example) that SMSQ/E is BETTER, but I doubt that I could be convinced to buy it, now, without first seeing what it can/cannot do compared to the plain-jane variant

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-11 Thread Marcel Kilgus
P Witte wrote: For example, I own a fairly early QXL card -- nice, but it wasn't stressed (mentioned? ... oops!?!) that the screen image was reduced (i.e., equivalent, at best, of a 10 when viewed on a standard 14 VGA Sounds odd. Is this a problem with early QXLs or can anyone help Al here?

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-10 Thread Tony Firshman
On Sat, 9 Mar 2002 at 20:19:17, Al Feng wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) BTW. Just as many want to hold to their notion that the material selection, alone, is the problem, I will maintain my belief that if the tails were not located in proximity of the heatsink that the problem of premature

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-10 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 9 Mar 2002, at 13:06, Tony Firshman wrote: Woflgang Who he? Why, that's em, of course... Wolfgang - www.wlenerz.com

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-10 Thread Al Feng
On Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:03:21 + Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: snip We tried to get the manufacturers to change the spec, but they said they would only work to the specs they had. I wonder who made the good ones. Regardless, pure vinyl, or materials approaching same [as

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-10 Thread Dilwyn Jones
After swapping out my fourth [!?!] membrane, I was more than happy to pony up the funds for the maligned-by-others Falkenberg keyboard interface [the earlier Scho(e)n ABC keyboards with proprietary interfaces did not seem like a wise choice]. I have had a Falkenburg Keyboard90 interface in my

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-10 Thread Tony Firshman
On Sun, 10 Mar 2002 at 06:48:31, Al Feng wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Sun, 10 Mar 2002 09:03:21 + Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: original C84 QL membranes - snipped I presume by clear you mean window glass clear Yes. I have seen this sort of plastic on many other computers

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-10 Thread Tony Firshman
On Sun, 10 Mar 2002 at 14:28:26, Dilwyn Jones wrote: (ref: 005701c1c83f$f7857ce0$02065cc3@default) After swapping out my fourth [!?!] membrane, I was more than happy to pony up the funds for the maligned-by-others Falkenberg keyboard interface [the earlier Scho(e)n ABC keyboards with

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-10 Thread Dave
On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, Al Feng wrote: The significant problem [which *I* found] is the SHAPE of the top of the QL's tiles ... if you are a moderately fast typist, you are not looking at the tiles AND your fingers are not locked onto the tiles, either; so, you will inevitably be striking the

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-10 Thread Tony Firshman
On Sun, 10 Mar 2002 at 09:37:23, Al Feng wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) Heck, if I lived in New England (or, England) and could actually see ANY-/everything demo'd ahead of time, I would probably own a lot more QL related hardware/software ... or, certainly, different hardware/software I see

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-10 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes On Sun, 10 Mar 2002, Al Feng wrote: The significant problem [which *I* found] is the SHAPE of the top of the QL's tiles ... if you are a moderately fast typist, you are not looking at the tiles AND your fingers are not locked onto

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-10 Thread Al Feng
On Sun, 10 Mar 2002 21:13:33 + Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Sun, 10 Mar 2002 at 09:37:23, Al Feng wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) snip I see you live in the same town as John Impellizzeri - I assume you two know each other. How about a joint trip to the Washington

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-09 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 8 Mar 2002, at 20:50, Timothy Swenson wrote: After 12 years of using my QL with a keyboard interface, there is no way that I am going back. Yes, that was one of the first things I did with my QL, as well. Keyboards, of course, are a matter of taste. I found the Ql one a disaster.

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-09 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 9 Mar 2002, at 0:01, Phoebus Dokos wrote: Well yes but doesn't that defeat the purpose? I for one never liked QLs with all sorts of cables hanging out of them :-)... I prefer the original look... contained, small, sleek and beautiful :-) I never got a hang up on the Ql design itself.

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-09 Thread Wolfgang Lenerz
On 8 Mar 2002, at 14:42, Dave wrote: If I am going to invest several thousand dollars in a project, I am going to make sure I understand 100% all the issues involved with my designs, and with the design decisions of the original membrane. If you're going to invest several thousand dollars

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-09 Thread Tony Firshman
On Sat, 9 Mar 2002 at 11:39:59, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: (ref: 3C89F48F.30211.39C748@localhost) On 8 Mar 2002, at 20:50, Timothy Swenson wrote: After 12 years of using my QL with a keyboard interface, there is no way that I am going back. Yes, that was one of the first things I did with my

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-09 Thread Dave
On Sat, 9 Mar 2002, Wolfgang Lenerz wrote: If you're going to invest several thousand dollars in a Ql project, my advice would be: don't. (unless you don't care to get'em back) That's why I'm calling it a 'project' and not a 'business' ;) Anyway, as far as a membrane project is

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-09 Thread Al Feng
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 15:33:24 + Tony Firshman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 at 06:20:22, Al Feng wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) EVERYONE! Speculation about the material used in the QL's membranes by Sinclair or otherwise seems futile. snip Nope. As I said

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-09 Thread Al Feng
Dave, Well, best of luck ... I'm glad to read that you are, at least, thinking of NOT going with a replica of the original membrane ... BTW. Just as many want to hold to their notion that the material selection, alone, is the problem, I will maintain my belief that if the tails were not

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-08 Thread Tony Firshman
On Thu, 7 Mar 2002 at 13:50:20, Phoebus Dokos wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) At 01:48 ìì 7/3/2002, you wrote: In reply to my own post, I have one particular question. What is the specified and typical force required to actuate a key on a QL keyboard? Newtons or ounces please! Dave

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-08 Thread Al Feng
EVERYONE! Speculation about the material used in the QL's membranes by Sinclair or otherwise seems futile. It is worth noting, IMO, that the reason that the membranes have failed in the past, and will probably fail in the future in a standard QL configuration IS singularly BECAUSE of the

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-08 Thread Dave
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Al Feng wrote: Speculation about the material used in the QL's membranes by Sinclair or otherwise seems futile. I disagree. Here's why. They fail. We have to produce something that does the same function. We don't want it to fail the same way. It is worth noting, IMO,

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-08 Thread Tony Firshman
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 at 06:20:22, Al Feng wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) EVERYONE!   Speculation about the material used in the QL's membranes by Sinclair or otherwise seems futile.   It is worth noting, IMO, that the reason that the membranes have failed in the past, and will probably fail in

RE: Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-08 Thread Ian . Pine
and the microdrives). I wish I'd kept it now... Ian. -Original Message- From: tony Sent: 08 March 2002 15:33 To: ql-users Cc: tony Subject: Re: [ql-users] Membranes On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 at 06:20:22, Al Feng wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) EVERYONE!   Speculation about

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-08 Thread Tony Firshman
I was in the middle of replying to a msg from Dave, but my m/c crashed and I cannot find the original now (8-(# A mention was made of a keyboard type with carbon pads onto a pcb and ribbon cable tails. This is exactly what a UK Co (Keyboard Products) used to make for the QL - it replaced the

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-08 Thread Tony Firshman
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 at 21:24:28, Tony Firshman wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) 2) The pcb was sub-standard, and the 'gold' plated contacts weren't. Weren't 'gold' I mean. -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 1stname@surname,demon.co.uk http://www.firshman.demon.co.uk

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-08 Thread Dave
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Tony Firshman wrote: 1) Keybounce. They produced a replacement 8749 to 'cure' this, which it did. Unfortunately it killed ser2 (8-(# Hermes/superHermes have cured key bounce with all keyboards using the pcb connectors. 2) The pcb was sub-standard, and the 'gold'

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-08 Thread Tony Firshman
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002 at 22:52:34, Dave wrote: (ref: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Tony Firshman wrote: 1) Keybounce. They produced a replacement 8749 to 'cure' this, which it did. Unfortunately it killed ser2 (8-(# Hermes/superHermes have cured key bounce with all keyboards

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-08 Thread Timothy Swenson
After 12 years of using my QL with a keyboard interface, there is no way that I am going back. I think the true solution to the membrane issue is to get a keyboard interface. Then, if the keyboard dies, there are tons more available. Plus, you can get one to the layout and color that you

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-08 Thread Phoebus Dokos
??? 8/3/2002 11:50:26 ìì, ?/? Timothy Swenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] ??: After 12 years of using my QL with a keyboard interface, there is no way that I am going back. I think the true solution to the membrane issue is to get a keyboard interface. Then, if the keyboard dies, there are tons

[ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-07 Thread Dave
I've been doing some 'research' into the membrane situation for a few weeks, working out the situation with membranes... It turns out they use a plasticiser called DEHP, which is a pthalate. Pthalates are carcinogenic, and they leach out of products. Don't worry, you'd have to suck on a HUGE

Re: [ql-users] Membranes

2002-03-07 Thread Dave
In reply to my own post, I have one particular question. What is the specified and typical force required to actuate a key on a QL keyboard? Newtons or ounces please! Dave ql.spodmail.com