Re: [ql-users] Printers
At 21:08 27/10/2004 +0100, you wrote: I paid £950 in 1986 for a top of the range wide carriage 24 pin dot matrix (Brother 2024) Ridiculous price of course, but it had the diablo codes I had coded in Archive. My little number was a Brother too. It was, though, a very good buy as it is still working 100% doing the same job it did in 1986. Printing barcodes I seem to remember Enjoy your trip. didn't get your reply till late DT ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Printers
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 at 20:45:02, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >At 17:04 23/10/2004 +0100, you wrote: > > >>-- >20 years ago I paid £160 for a dot-matrix printer, last year £35 for a >colour jet. It is eminently good sense to minimise the hardware and do >the tricky stuff in software for the machines in the current market. > >I wanted to access individual jets if blocked, to exercise them only >rather than waste ink through the rest. No luck ofcourse. Such a device >may be construed as bait to catch users of ink cartridges. > >But to run a modern one with a machine from the dark ages . . . . > >Makes me think of the yokels answer to a request for directions - "Sure >now, if I was to go there I would not start from here" > >Pity so many old printers etc have ended in the skips, try your local >recycle depot. I paid £950 in 1986 for a top of the range wide carriage 24 pin dot matrix (Brother 2024) Ridiculous price of course, but it had the diablo codes I had coded in Archive. It was, though, a very good buy as it is still working 100% doing the same job it did in 1986. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Skype
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 at 19:06:05, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >At 13:38 27/10/2004 +0100, you wrote: > >>Far better though is what I have (almost) set up. This is a dedicated >>Cisco VOIP phone. Worldnews is setting up a central server. >> >>This will allow me to use it as a phone to call and receive anywhere >>without installing software. All it needs is a network connection that >>will assign an IP address and connect to the internet. It will then >>connect automatically with our server. > >A bit more detail ? http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/phones/ps379/products_administration_guide_chapter09186a00801b1b04.html http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/hw/phones/ps379/products_administration_guide_chapter09186a00801b1b04.html> I know pretty well nothing about the system - someone at worldnews is setting it up. > >But yes , think I will do that Skype, mind if I call you to test ? Of course. I might have to search for the headphones. Tonight is the only possibility. I am mainly away from tomorrow until next Tuesday. > >I should imagine it would be Bebelous * for a large conference, a CHAT >room would be OK for that. Of course. A voice conference would be impossible. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Skype
At 13:38 27/10/2004 +0100, you wrote: Far better though is what I have (almost) set up. This is a dedicated Cisco VOIP phone. Worldnews is setting up a central server. This will allow me to use it as a phone to call and receive anywhere without installing software. All it needs is a network connection that will assign an IP address and connect to the internet. It will then connect automatically with our server. A bit more detail ? But yes , think I will do that Skype, mind if I call you to test ? I should imagine it would be Bebelous * for a large conference, a CHAT room would be OK for that. DT ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Skype
At 14:19 27/10/2004 +0100, you wrote: Gobbledegook to me of source! is sauce for the gander ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Printers
At 17:04 23/10/2004 +0100, you wrote: -- 20 years ago I paid £160 for a dot-matrix printer, last year £35 for a colour jet. It is eminently good sense to minimise the hardware and do the tricky stuff in software for the machines in the current market. I wanted to access individual jets if blocked, to exercise them only rather than waste ink through the rest. No luck ofcourse. Such a device may be construed as bait to catch users of ink cartridges. But to run a modern one with a machine from the dark ages . . . . Makes me think of the yokels answer to a request for directions - "Sure now, if I was to go there I would not start from here" Pity so many old printers etc have ended in the skips, try your local recycle depot. DT ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Skype
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 at 16:11:30, Marcel Kilgus wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >Mike MacNamara wrote: >> The only pauses we get are when there are large downloads at same time, >> other than that it is better than landlines. > >Now I really do start wondering how bad the landlines in the UK are! >Germany has had a fully digitalized net for about a decade, never had >a connection that was worse than Skype. Skype has a far better frequency response than any line based telephone. I agree with their comment on the web site about 'S' and 'F'. This probably has as much to do with headsets Vs telephone as the line. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Skype
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 at 16:06:31, Marcel Kilgus wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >Tony Firshman wrote: >> It does not have a centralised server, but uses "non-firewalled clients >> and clients on publically routable IP addresses to help NAT'ed nodes to >> communicate by routing calls" >> >> Gobbledegook to me of source! > >Of which source? ;-) Whoops - 'course', but of course you realised that (8-)# > >This means that a non-firewalled Skype user can act as a server for a >call between 2 firewalled users. So ok, in this case there is no >"central" server per se, but it could in principle happen that your >call gets routed over my internet connection. Ah yes, that makes sense. It could all fall down I suppose if everyone, like they should, properly firewalled their systems. Mine could never be used as I go through a -very- secure Linux firewall. >However they claim to use AES as encryption, IIRC, which to todays >knowledge is very safe. ... and probably 'illegal' in the USA (8-)# One quite nice feature, which I don't think affects calls, is that one can have more than one Skype open at different IP addresses. I am not sure how they handle that technically, but it seems the first system to answer gets the call. MSN insists on only one open connection, and closes down if a new one opens. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Skype
Well we use BTs 1 meg ADSL, which is not brilliant, but does the job. Skype which we have used since first available is first class, I talk to people in every corner of the globe with perfect clarity, only time I have noticed pauses is when using conference global calls, and downloading/uploading at same time. I do notice that places like West of USA( MS country, Washington State) that they seem to use 56K connections, which pause for 10 secs at a time if downloading at same time. The only other prob I have noticed, is if the other party is on a satellite connection, then it either sends or receives, but not both at same time. Regards Mike MacNamara [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Marcel Kilgus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Skype > Mike MacNamara wrote: > > The only pauses we get are when there are large downloads at same time, > > other than that it is better than landlines. > > Now I really do start wondering how bad the landlines in the UK are! > Germany has had a fully digitalized net for about a decade, never had > a connection that was worse than Skype. > > Marcel > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Skype
Mike MacNamara wrote: > The only pauses we get are when there are large downloads at same time, > other than that it is better than landlines. Now I really do start wondering how bad the landlines in the UK are! Germany has had a fully digitalized net for about a decade, never had a connection that was worse than Skype. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Skype
Tony Firshman wrote: > It does not have a centralised server, but uses "non-firewalled clients > and clients on publically routable IP addresses to help NAT'ed nodes to > communicate by routing calls" > > Gobbledegook to me of source! Of which source? ;-) This means that a non-firewalled Skype user can act as a server for a call between 2 firewalled users. So ok, in this case there is no "central" server per se, but it could in principle happen that your call gets routed over my internet connection. However they claim to use AES as encryption, IIRC, which to todays knowledge is very safe. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Skype
The only pauses we get are when there are large downloads at same time, other than that it is better than landlines. Regards Mike MacNamara [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: "Marcel Kilgus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Skype > Tony Firshman wrote: > > Well of course Skype has to be installed both ends, but nothing unusual > > otherwise for ADSL. > > One can call landline phones, but not for free. > > > Uniquely it is peer to peer, so one does not need a central (probably > > spy) server. > > Actually no, it's usually not. For it being peer to peer at least one > party would have to open up the firewall or NAT router for incoming > traffic. Skype does not require this, therefore there has to be a > central server. > This is probably also the reasons why Skype hasn't been very reliable > for me. I had very annoying pauses during my calls. > > Marcel > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Skype
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 at 14:54:24, Marcel Kilgus wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >Tony Firshman wrote: >> Well of course Skype has to be installed both ends, but nothing unusual >> otherwise for ADSL. > >One can call landline phones, but not for free. > >> Uniquely it is peer to peer, so one does not need a central (probably >> spy) server. > >Actually no, it's usually not. For it being peer to peer at least one >party would have to open up the firewall or NAT router for incoming >traffic. Skype does not require this, therefore there has to be a >central server. They still say it is "decentralised P2P system" http://skype.com/products/explained.html It does not have a centralised server, but uses "non-firewalled clients and clients on publically routable IP addresses to help NAT'ed nodes to communicate by routing calls" Gobbledegook to me of source! Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Skype
Pity it don't work on WINDOWS 9x systems - YET! John Gilpin. - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:59 AM Subject: Re: [ql-users] Skype > > > > > > >1) It works > >2) It is peer to peer and requires no central server > >3) Has a testing number > >4) On ADSL it is -easily- full duplex. On dial up it almost is, with > >some breakup. Single duplex is perfect on dial-up. > > Yep. I agree. I only have dial-up over here, about 42-48K at best. I had a > lengthy chat with Steve Reyal the other night using it, about a hour or so, > and it was perfectly usable. even set up a three way conference call > between Steve, me and my Brother-in-law Ian (who has fast broadband also - > lucky enough to live in an area of ireland that can get it!!) While it was > perfectly clear between Steve and Ian, there was break up and slight delays > bewteen me and them on occasion. > > >Sure todays computer speeds & if ADSL available one would expect > efficiency. > > Indeed. > > >The facility to call overseas at local (over there) rates was even offered > > >with 28k modems, even a special call to wake computer job. > > Yes, I used to use Paltalk and visitalk on a 28K modem years ago, but it > was err... crap. > > >In practical terms, I suppose one has to liaise with a given party to make > > >sure you are both get set up and set rendezvous times ? > > Yes, steve and I either email or SMS each other when we are about to go > online. > > >What is the "phone number" ? Email addy or something else ? > > You have a user name. This is added to the contact base of another user > when you contact them, if they wish it to. > > >Is there a "phone directory" ? > > Yes, and you can search for users - very good it is too. > > >DT > > I was wondering about holding a virtual show using skype - a massive > conference call between several users - don't know how many callers it can > handle at once Might be worth trying?? > > Darren. > > > > > > > > > > > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please > notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail > from your system. Thank you. > It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or > accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the > communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept > any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise > through the use of this medium. > This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept > for the presence of known computer viruses. > > > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Skype
Tony Firshman wrote: > Well of course Skype has to be installed both ends, but nothing unusual > otherwise for ADSL. One can call landline phones, but not for free. > Uniquely it is peer to peer, so one does not need a central (probably > spy) server. Actually no, it's usually not. For it being peer to peer at least one party would have to open up the firewall or NAT router for incoming traffic. Skype does not require this, therefore there has to be a central server. This is probably also the reasons why Skype hasn't been very reliable for me. I had very annoying pauses during my calls. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Skype
On Wed, 27 Oct 2004 at 09:59:39, wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >>The facility to call overseas at local (over there) rates was even offered > >>with 28k modems, even a special call to wake computer job. > >Yes, I used to use Paltalk and visitalk on a 28K modem years ago, but it >was err... crap. Yep it certainly was. The great thing about Skype is that, certainly with ADSL, it is far better than a std telephone line. > >>In practical terms, I suppose one has to liaise with a given party to make > >>sure you are both get set up and set rendezvous times ? > >Yes, steve and I either email or SMS each other when we are about to go >online. With ADSL, one would normally leave a machine on 24hrs. These special arrangements are only really needed with dial-up. However the caller will see whether anyone is on-line. > >I was wondering about holding a virtual show using skype - a massive >conference call between several users - don't know how many callers it can >handle at once Might be worth trying?? That sounds intriguing. Certainly would have been a good way of sorting out the mechanics of trader's visit to USA this year. We -almost- managed an MSN conference, but one refused to use it (8-(# Funnily enough, his boss has now made him use it at work. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Skype
On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 at 19:23:25, David Tubbs wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >At 06:47 20/10/2004 +0100, you wrote: > >>1) It works >>2) It is peer to peer and requires no central server >>3) Has a testing number >>4) On ADSL it is -easily- full duplex. On dial up it almost is, with >>some breakup. Single duplex is perfect on dial-up. > >Sure todays computer speeds & if ADSL available one would expect efficiency. > >The facility to call overseas at local (over there) rates was even >offered with 28k modems, even a special call to wake computer job. > >In practical terms, I suppose one has to liaise with a given party to >make sure you are both get set up and set rendezvous times ? Well of course Skype has to be installed both ends, but nothing unusual otherwise for ADSL. ie if the computer is switched on, it will 'ring' when called. For dial-up, of course the person called has to be connected and online. They will show up as 'online' on a user list. It is missing a voice answer machine, but one can send instant text messages which will pop-up (optionally) exactly as MSN. In fact, of course, it is very similar to MSN, but better. Uniquely it is peer to peer, so one does not need a central (probably spy) server. > >What is the "phone number" ? Email addy or something else ? Anything you like - it is simply a user chosen ID. Of course it has to be unique. > >Is there a "phone directory" ? Yes. Far better though is what I have (almost) set up. This is a dedicated Cisco VOIP phone. Worldnews is setting up a central server. This will allow me to use it as a phone to call and receive anywhere without installing software. All it needs is a network connection that will assign an IP address and connect to the internet. It will then connect automatically with our server. Tony -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
[ql-users] QL Show on Skype?
I dunno if a QL show via Skype is doable, but it certainly makes sense. Its cheap, and a great way for all the QL users worldwide to have an instant chat forum. Of course, it needs some planning - a suitable time to hold it for one. This would need to take into account the users from abroad who may want to participate and and time differences etc. Of course, pointless planning anything unless there is some interest - is there? All that is needed is a decent PC or Mac or even a Pocket PC, with sound and some HD space. Ideally a 400Mhz PC or faster is advised, and any kind of internet connection from 33.6 kps upward. All you need do then is download the skype application from www.skype.com and install it - it took me about 35 mins or so to download it over a dialup, its about 10Mb in size. Cheers, Darren Branagh, Bank of Ireland - Cards And Loans Business, Nassau House, 33/35 Nassau Street, Dublin 2. Ireland. Tel: 1850-530-530 Fax: 01-6706813. Direct Line:- (+353)-1-6176082 BOI Group Data Classification - This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
[ql-users] A3 Laser Printer Wanted
Does anyone have an A3 laser pritner for sale?? Customer is also looking for a Packard Bell Legend type PC - though guess the laser is easier to find!! -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ TEL: 01922 691607 Visit our website at URL:http://www.rwapsoftware.co.uk Stuck with ordinary dial up internet connection ?? Read our review of internet accelerators and broadband at: URL: http://www.rwapadventures.com/Services/reviews.html ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
[ql-users] NB: Change of email address
Hi All, >From 5/11/04 I will no longer be contactable at this email address. I have changed jobs (and moved to the other side of the country!!) and my new email address will (for the meantime anyway) change to :- darrenbranagh AT o2 DOT ie This is my personal email, and therefore I ask that emails be kept to a small size - no large photos, video, slideshows and stuff - I will inform everyone of my new work email in due course. Cheers, Darren Branagh. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
Re: [ql-users] Skype
>1) It works >2) It is peer to peer and requires no central server >3) Has a testing number >4) On ADSL it is -easily- full duplex. On dial up it almost is, with >some breakup. Single duplex is perfect on dial-up. Yep. I agree. I only have dial-up over here, about 42-48K at best. I had a lengthy chat with Steve Reyal the other night using it, about a hour or so, and it was perfectly usable. even set up a three way conference call between Steve, me and my Brother-in-law Ian (who has fast broadband also - lucky enough to live in an area of ireland that can get it!!) While it was perfectly clear between Steve and Ian, there was break up and slight delays bewteen me and them on occasion. >Sure todays computer speeds & if ADSL available one would expect efficiency. Indeed. >The facility to call overseas at local (over there) rates was even offered >with 28k modems, even a special call to wake computer job. Yes, I used to use Paltalk and visitalk on a 28K modem years ago, but it was err... crap. >In practical terms, I suppose one has to liaise with a given party to make >sure you are both get set up and set rendezvous times ? Yes, steve and I either email or SMS each other when we are about to go online. >What is the "phone number" ? Email addy or something else ? You have a user name. This is added to the contact base of another user when you contact them, if they wish it to. >Is there a "phone directory" ? Yes, and you can search for users - very good it is too. >DT I was wondering about holding a virtual show using skype - a massive conference call between several users - don't know how many callers it can handle at once Might be worth trying?? Darren. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and delete this E-mail from your system. Thank you. It is possible for data transmitted by email to be deliberately or accidentally corrupted or intercepted. For this reason, where the communication is by email, the Bank of Ireland Group does not accept any responsibility for any breach of confidence which may arise through the use of this medium. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of known computer viruses. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.quanta.org.uk/mailing.htm
