Re: [ql-users] Problem email
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, Malcolm Cadman wrote: > Umm ... I had forgotten about TELNET. Shame on you! :) > A bit technical for many users. Yes. But for the programmers out there... I predict we'll have 20 mail clients published next week. > My suggestion of a web mail access achieves the same outcome, yet is a > friendlier environment to use. ( See other email ). Indeed. Dave ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Colour Mode from QPC2
ÎÎÎ Wed, 5 Jan 2005 22:06:58 +,Î(Î) Malcolm Cadman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rich Mellor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:30:54 +, Malcolm Cadman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rich Mellor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:09:23 -, John Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, but it doesn't upset my QPC2 but it does Malcolm's weird. Don;t think having an outline outside the new screen limits causes a problem - more if an open window falls outside the limits. Anyway, I also suggested that eh now try OUTLN #0,512,256,0,0 before the DISP_COLOUR command, so we shall see if this makes any difference. Regrettably not much. The screen is better 'centred' with the 4 'echoes', yet it is still the same. That is there isn't the one window in the new colour mode. Interestingly QWord Demo achieves something very similar what I am aiming to do from the boot file. When I launch QWord Demo from a PC Windows desktop of 256 colours at 800x600. It sets a High Colour mode which looks like 640x480 from the legacy QL screen that first appears. I then play the game in the Colour Mode. When I quit it drops back to the mode and PC screen desktop that I started with. All quite painless. Hold on, you mean that you run your Windows at 256 colours? Or that the colours of your desktop are limited to 256 (can be done although it is a little akward). If you do the first, no wonder you are having problems. Your PC resolution (colour) should ALWAYS be greater than the QPC resolution if running in Windowed mode. I am surprised that QPC display is not totally blank! DirectX should normally take care of the mapping of a 256 capable graphics mode to what QPC requires but the results in colour would probably be hideous! Ffibys ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Problem email
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, jms1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes I received yesterday an email apparently via the group from J Taylor containing apparently 2 jpegs each over a megabyte long. I haven't had this happen ... as yet, although it may have picked several addresses from the list. It took over twenty minutes to download and I have to download all of it otherwise the ISP records it has not been received and leaves it to be downloaded again. Yes, these are painful :-( The way to get around this, once you are aware of having a large 'spam' or 'unwanted' file waiting for you at the ISP is to get web mail facility. Which your ISP may have. Log into the web mail - using any Browser - using the password that you have set up. Look at all the addresses that you have at the ISP and you will have displayed all the incoming emails. Delete the ones that are obviously not wanted. This means that you are deleting the email at the ISP, before you download it when you normally dial in. There may be other ways of achieving the same thing. I use this simple technique effectively. Did John Taylor send it? If so was it to the group by accident? If not somebody is using John Taylor's email address to be a nuisance and perhaps to spread viruses. Most likely a malicious intervention ... However it does the rails the question of excessively long emails. Perhaps the server should send any email through the group longer than a kilobyte long to device null so that they do not cause any problems. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Problem email
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Dave P <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, jms1 wrote: It took over twenty minutes to download and I have to download all of it otherwise the ISP records it has not been received and leaves it to be downloaded again. If this happens to you: telnet mail.yourisp.com 110 USER PASS LIST [At this point it will give you a list like this:] 1 3452 2 1024 3 2310 4 722 5 3204478 6 916 [You can see that 5 is the huge email, so...] DELE 5 QUIT Umm ... I had forgotten about TELNET. A bit technical for many users. My suggestion of a web mail access achieves the same outcome, yet is a friendlier environment to use. ( See other email ). -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Colour Mode from QPC2
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Phoebus Dokos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes I assume that the original QL colour system was 8-bit, yet didn't actually make use of it as such. As it had a 4 Colour Mode ( Mode 4 ) and an 8 Colour Mode ( Mode 8 ). No the original QL colour system had a maximum of 3 bits (2^3) that gives 8 colours The Thor on the other hand had an additional colour mode 12 of 4 bits (2^4) that gave 16 colours on 256 x 256 4 colours can be done with the lower half of the 8 bit - lower nibble - as : - Black 0 0001 - White 1 0010 - Colour 12 0011 - Colour 23 Indeed but that is not the case with the QL. The actual mode 4 is 2 bit which gives you 4 combinations. The bits that generate the colour are G(reen) and R(ed) - No bits on means black. All bits on is White and Red bit or Green bit on respectively give Red or Green. Ah yes, interesting how simple is was to implement. This may be covered in the Jan Jones book, or elsewhere, as to how it was actually assigned on the QL to accommodate the Mode 4 and Mode 8. It is in the QL Manual actually as well as in the Andrew Dickens' book, Colin Opie's as well as on the Q40/Q60 Hardware Technical Reference. The organisation of the pixels is quite odd but very efficient for the capabilities of the hardware. An 8 bit gives a maximum of 256 which was implemented in the early IBM PC's way back when ( ? ). I believe you confuse the VGA and MCGA with the earliest cards, CGA, MDA, Hercules and EGA. The original PC with Color Graphics Adapter could generate 16 colours in Text mode, 2 in High Res (640 x 200), and 4 in Medium resolution (320 x 200) as well as the seldomly used low resolution 160 x 200 (16 colours but only on TV/Video). CGA had however a palette of 16 colours that could be used to select colours in all modes but High-res that was only black and white. Which originally had 8 shades of grey. Not true either. MDA was black and white strictly. Some Hercules cards had shades of grey but it wasn't until some versions of EGA that 8 shades of grey could be produced. Thanks, you are reminding of things that I used but now forgotten ... Although I believe that some of the other early computers around at the time of the QL - 1980's - did also achieve 256 colours or something approaching it. 256 colours wasn't impossible in the 80's. The memory needed for it was extremely expensive. Proof of that of course is the Amiga that could display up to 4096 colours simultaneously in HAM modes. How True Colour came to be 24 bit rather than the full 32 bit is another story ... that you may know about. It's 3x8 bit components = 24 :-) R (8 bit), G (8 bit), B (8 bit) = 24 bit :-) 32 bit is exactly the same although it implements one extra octet with Alpha channel (transparency) - or extra intensity in some weird cases) It is not actually weird as the basic colours are three so the logical definition would go from 24 bit to 48 bit (3 colours each of 16 bit) -or- to 96 bit (3 components of 32 bits). These are usually implemented in scanners (See their colour resolution to be convinced) That's it... off to Greece now ;-) See you all in 13 days OK ... happy vacation :-) -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Colour Mode from QPC2
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rich Mellor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:30:54 +, Malcolm Cadman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rich Mellor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:09:23 -, John Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Yes, but it doesn't upset my QPC2 but it does Malcolm's weird. Don;t think having an outline outside the new screen limits causes a problem - more if an open window falls outside the limits. Anyway, I also suggested that eh now try OUTLN #0,512,256,0,0 before the DISP_COLOUR command, so we shall see if this makes any difference. Regrettably not much. The screen is better 'centred' with the 4 'echoes', yet it is still the same. That is there isn't the one window in the new colour mode. Interestingly QWord Demo achieves something very similar what I am aiming to do from the boot file. When I launch QWord Demo from a PC Windows desktop of 256 colours at 800x600. It sets a High Colour mode which looks like 640x480 from the legacy QL screen that first appears. I then play the game in the Colour Mode. When I quit it drops back to the mode and PC screen desktop that I started with. All quite painless. Malcolm, I think the best solution would be for you to zip your copy of QPC2 and qxl.win file and send it to me privately (can you upload it to some webspace as this is quicker for me to download and I am only on dialup)... I can then see if your setup gives the same results on my PC, or your qxl.win file gives the same results on my copy of QPC2. At least this might enable us to track down the problem a little easier... Thanks for the offer ... yet I think I will just have to accept it for now. I have gone through it line by line, and gradually reduced everything down to the DISP_COLOUR 2,640,480 command which is does the odd display of having everything 4 times over. DISP_COLOUR 3,800,600 or DISP_COLOUR 3,640,480 is no problem. The Mode 16 - 256 Colour is not working. The Mode 32 - 16-bit Colour works fine. The boot is now simplified as below : 100 REMark boot_QDT for Win - Malcolm Cadman - update January 2005 110 REMark Loads QDT 120 REMark Set up for High Color mode 130 REMark Set Ink colour White and Paper colour Black for 3 QL Window channels 140 icol=7 : pcol=0 150 INK#0,icol : INK#1,icol : INK#2,icol 160 PAPER#0,pcol : PAPER#1,pcol : PAPER#2,pcol 170 REMark Set a High Color mode : Mode 32 - 16 bit 180 DISP_COLOUR 3,800,600 190 REMark Clear 3 QL Window channels 200 CLS#0 : CLS#1 : CLS#2 210 : Rest of boot can follow -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Colour Mode from QPC2
On Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:41:07 -0500, Phoebus Dokos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <> That's it... off to Greece now ;-) See you all in 13 days What, without finishing that little project for me? Boo hoo Have a good time Phoebus - you will be sorely missed -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Problem email
- Original Message - From: "jms1" To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2005 8:29 PM Subject: [ql-users] Problem email Bruce will probably answer this, but there are already restrictions on the size of mailings to this group. I discovered this recently when a ql-user offered items for sale with photos and I forwarded his email to the group. I got an automated email back saying it was too large and offering me the choice of cancelling the message or sending it to the moderator for a decision. I chose to cancel it and resubmitted the mailing without the photos. Best wishes, Geoff I received yesterday an email apparently via the group from J Taylor containing apparently 2 jpegs each over a megabyte long. It took over twenty minutes to download and I have to download all of it otherwise the ISP records it has not been received and leaves it to be downloaded again. Did John Taylor send it? If so was it to the group by accident? If not somebody is using John Taylor's email address to be a nuisance and perhaps to spread viruses. However it does the rails the question of excessively long emails. Perhaps the server should send any email through the group longer than a kilobyte long to device null so that they do not cause any problems. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Colour Mode from QPC2
ÎÎÎ Wed, 05 Jan 2005 15:41:07 -0500,Î(Î) Phoebus Dokos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: The original PC with Color Graphics Adapter could generate 16 colours in Text mode, 2 in High Res (640 x 200), and 4 in Medium resolution (320 x 200) as well as the seldomly used low resolution 160 x 200 (16 colours but only on TV/Video). CGA had however a palette of 16 colours that could be used to select colours in all modes but High-res that was only black and white. Of a remote association to the above (And to the topic as Amstrad bought Sinclair so there's the connection) the Amstrad CPC had the same chip used in the CGA and its modes were fairly similar, however there was a bigger palette of 27 colours there ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Problem email
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 at 20:29:23, jms1 wrote: (ref: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) >I received yesterday an email apparently via the group from J Taylor >containing apparently 2 jpegs each over a megabyte long. >It took over twenty minutes to download and I have to download all of it >otherwise the ISP records it has not been received and leaves it to be >downloaded again. Your ISP is sure to provide an admin interface you can log on to and delete. >Did John Taylor send it? >If so was it to the group by accident? >If not somebody is using John Taylor's email address to be a nuisance and >perhaps to spread viruses. >However it does the rails the question of excessively long emails. >Perhaps the server should send any email through the group longer than a >kilobyte long to device null so that they do not cause any problems. It was not via the group - at least not to here. Worms can easily forge headers. TOny -- QBBS (QL fido BBS 2:252/67) +44(0)1442-828255 tony@.co.uk http://www.firshman.co.uk Voice: +44(0)1442-828254 Fax: +44(0)1442-828255 TF Services, 29 Longfield Road, TRING, Herts, HP23 4DG ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Colour Mode from QPC2
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:30:54 +, Malcolm Cadman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rich Mellor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:09:23 -, John Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Malcolm Cadman wrote: Yes, that is the logic of it. It clears the existing screen first - which is 800x600. Then reduces the windows to a next to nothing size - which meant to prevent a crash. Then sets a 'High Colour' mode ( relatively speaking as it only has 256 colours ). Then makes the windows back to the new screen size, which is deliberately different in resolution to test the effect of the change. You miss my point - when the resolution is changed to 640x480, the outline for #0 is 800x600a0x0, and we all know what happens to a job whose outline falls outside the (new) screen limits... Yes, but it doesn't upset my QPC2 but it does Malcolm's weird. Don;t think having an outline outside the new screen limits causes a problem - more if an open window falls outside the limits. Anyway, I also suggested that eh now try OUTLN #0,512,256,0,0 before the DISP_COLOUR command, so we shall see if this makes any difference. Regrettably not much. The screen is better 'centred' with the 4 'echoes', yet it is still the same. That is there isn't the one window in the new colour mode. Interestingly QWord Demo achieves something very similar what I am aiming to do from the boot file. When I launch QWord Demo from a PC Windows desktop of 256 colours at 800x600. It sets a High Colour mode which looks like 640x480 from the legacy QL screen that first appears. I then play the game in the Colour Mode. When I quit it drops back to the mode and PC screen desktop that I started with. All quite painless. Malcolm, I think the best solution would be for you to zip your copy of QPC2 and qxl.win file and send it to me privately (can you upload it to some webspace as this is quicker for me to download and I am only on dialup)... I can then see if your setup gives the same results on my PC, or your qxl.win file gives the same results on my copy of QPC2. At least this might enable us to track down the problem a little easier... Anyone else on broadband willing to offer to do this first though?? -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Colour Mode from QPC2
ÎÎÎ Wed, 5 Jan 2005 19:08:50 +,Î(Î) Malcolm Cadman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ÎÎÏÎÏÎ/wrote: You are right ... I concede :-) ... game point to Phoebus :-) When I checked myself after sending the email I realised that my memory had transposed some of the combinations :-( :-) I assume that the original QL colour system was 8-bit, yet didn't actually make use of it as such. As it had a 4 Colour Mode ( Mode 4 ) and an 8 Colour Mode ( Mode 8 ). No the original QL colour system had a maximum of 3 bits (2^3) that gives 8 colours The Thor on the other hand had an additional colour mode 12 of 4 bits (2^4) that gave 16 colours on 256 x 256 4 colours can be done with the lower half of the 8 bit - lower nibble - as : - Black 0 0001 - White 1 0010 - Colour 12 0011 - Colour 23 Indeed but that is not the case with the QL. The actual mode 4 is 2 bit which gives you 4 combinations. The bits that generate the colour are G(reen) and R(ed) - No bits on means black. All bits on is White and Red bit or Green bit on respectively give Red or Green. This may be covered in the Jan Jones book, or elsewhere, as to how it was actually assigned on the QL to accommodate the Mode 4 and Mode 8. It is in the QL Manual actually as well as in the Andrew Dickens' book, Colin Opie's as well as on the Q40/Q60 Hardware Technical Reference. The organisation of the pixels is quite odd but very efficient for the capabilities of the hardware. An 8 bit gives a maximum of 256 which was implemented in the early IBM PC's way back when ( ? ). I believe you confuse the VGA and MCGA with the earliest cards, CGA, MDA, Hercules and EGA. The original PC with Color Graphics Adapter could generate 16 colours in Text mode, 2 in High Res (640 x 200), and 4 in Medium resolution (320 x 200) as well as the seldomly used low resolution 160 x 200 (16 colours but only on TV/Video). CGA had however a palette of 16 colours that could be used to select colours in all modes but High-res that was only black and white. Which originally had 8 shades of grey. Not true either. MDA was black and white strictly. Some Hercules cards had shades of grey but it wasn't until some versions of EGA that 8 shades of grey could be produced. Although I believe that some of the other early computers around at the time of the QL - 1980's - did also achieve 256 colours or something approaching it. 256 colours wasn't impossible in the 80's. The memory needed for it was extremely expensive. Proof of that of course is the Amiga that could display up to 4096 colours simultaneously in HAM modes. How True Colour came to be 24 bit rather than the full 32 bit is another story ... that you may know about. It's 3x8 bit components = 24 :-) R (8 bit), G (8 bit), B (8 bit) = 24 bit :-) 32 bit is exactly the same although it implements one extra octet with Alpha channel (transparency) - or extra intensity in some weird cases) It is not actually weird as the basic colours are three so the logical definition would go from 24 bit to 48 bit (3 colours each of 16 bit) -or- to 96 bit (3 components of 32 bits). These are usually implemented in scanners (See their colour resolution to be convinced) That's it... off to Greece now ;-) See you all in 13 days Ffibys -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Problem email
Hello jms1, You will never receive a true email from the mailing list of that size as I have set a limit on the size as not everyone has broadband or a work connection. -- Best regards, Brucemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, January 5, 2005, 8:29:23 PM, you wrote: j> I received yesterday an email apparently via the group from J Taylor j> containing apparently 2 jpegs each over a megabyte long. j> It took over twenty minutes to download and I have to download all of it j> otherwise the ISP records it has not been received and leaves it to be j> downloaded again. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Problem email
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005, jms1 wrote: > It took over twenty minutes to download and I have to download all of it > otherwise the ISP records it has not been received and leaves it to be > downloaded again. If this happens to you: telnet mail.yourisp.com 110 USER PASS LIST [At this point it will give you a list like this:] 1 3452 2 1024 3 2310 4 722 5 3204478 6 916 [You can see that 5 is the huge email, so...] DELE 5 QUIT Problem solved. Dave ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] Problem email
I received yesterday an email apparently via the group from J Taylor containing apparently 2 jpegs each over a megabyte long. It took over twenty minutes to download and I have to download all of it otherwise the ISP records it has not been received and leaves it to be downloaded again. Did John Taylor send it? If so was it to the group by accident? If not somebody is using John Taylor's email address to be a nuisance and perhaps to spread viruses. However it does the rails the question of excessively long emails. Perhaps the server should send any email through the group longer than a kilobyte long to device null so that they do not cause any problems. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Colour Mode from QPC2
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Phoebus Dokos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Malcolm wrote: Indeed. I don't disagree. I was just following the Windows convention which has High Colour as 256 colours ( i.e. 8 bit ) and True Colour as 16-bit. Actually no. Windows uses "256 colours (8bit)", "High Colour (16bit)" (That used to be 15 bit as well in the Tseng Labs days with their quirky 15bit colour and "True Colour (24bit) or "32 bit"). 32 bit is sometimes also referred to as "Real Colour" Today (Windows XP) you also see "Low (8bit)", "Medium (16bit)" and "High (32bit)" -always depending on your card but that refers to the colour resolution not the amount of colours. Thus QPC2 uses that terminology in its configuration window. Actually QPC uses 3 settings: 1. QL colours 2. 256 colours 3. High Colour :-) Plus I knew when I used 'High Colour' that you would come back on it :-) I would, wouldn't I? You are right ... I concede :-) ... game point to Phoebus :-) When I checked myself after sending the email I realised that my memory had transposed some of the combinations :-( I assume that the original QL colour system was 8-bit, yet didn't actually make use of it as such. As it had a 4 Colour Mode ( Mode 4 ) and an 8 Colour Mode ( Mode 8 ). 4 colours can be done with the lower half of the 8 bit - lower nibble - as : - Black 0 0001 - White 1 0010 - Colour 12 0011 - Colour 23 This may be covered in the Jan Jones book, or elsewhere, as to how it was actually assigned on the QL to accommodate the Mode 4 and Mode 8. An 8 bit gives a maximum of 256 which was implemented in the early IBM PC's way back when ( ? ). Which originally had 8 shades of grey. Although I believe that some of the other early computers around at the time of the QL - 1980's - did also achieve 256 colours or something approaching it. How True Colour came to be 24 bit rather than the full 32 bit is another story ... that you may know about. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] QDT User Manuals
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, James Hunkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Thanks, anything will help. I already got some good feedback from Per and will start working on incorporating it and anything else I hear probably on Sunday, if not before. Just downloaded the 3 PDF files - and I am looking at the QDT User Manual right now on another PC adjacent to this one :-) First impressions are good. On Jan 4, 2005, at 1:54 PM, Malcolm Cadman wrote: In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, James Hunkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Hi Malcom, http://www.jdh-stech.com For quick access to the documentation directly, you can use (note that this address may change in the future but is listed for your convenience for right now)... http://www.jdh-stech.com/QDT/documents.html Thanks, Jim. I will download them tomorrow, and hopefully give you some initial feedback over the coming weekend. -- Malcolm Cadman -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Colour Mode from QPC2
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Marcel Kilgus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Rich Mellor wrote: Yes, but it doesn't upset my QPC2 but it does Malcolm's weird. Don;t think having an outline outside the new screen limits causes a problem - more if an open window falls outside the limits. Au contraire, it's only the outline that matters. Ah ... that is interesting. Do you have any documentation on the OUTLN command ? -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Colour Mode from QPC2
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rich Mellor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 22:09:23 -, John Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Malcolm Cadman wrote: Yes, that is the logic of it. It clears the existing screen first - which is 800x600. Then reduces the windows to a next to nothing size - which meant to prevent a crash. Then sets a 'High Colour' mode ( relatively speaking as it only has 256 colours ). Then makes the windows back to the new screen size, which is deliberately different in resolution to test the effect of the change. You miss my point - when the resolution is changed to 640x480, the outline for #0 is 800x600a0x0, and we all know what happens to a job whose outline falls outside the (new) screen limits... Yes, but it doesn't upset my QPC2 but it does Malcolm's weird. Don;t think having an outline outside the new screen limits causes a problem - more if an open window falls outside the limits. Anyway, I also suggested that eh now try OUTLN #0,512,256,0,0 before the DISP_COLOUR command, so we shall see if this makes any difference. Regrettably not much. The screen is better 'centred' with the 4 'echoes', yet it is still the same. That is there isn't the one window in the new colour mode. Interestingly QWord Demo achieves something very similar what I am aiming to do from the boot file. When I launch QWord Demo from a PC Windows desktop of 256 colours at 800x600. It sets a High Colour mode which looks like 640x480 from the legacy QL screen that first appears. I then play the game in the Colour Mode. When I quit it drops back to the mode and PC screen desktop that I started with. All quite painless. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] Colour Mode from QPC2
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, John Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes Malcolm Cadman wrote: Yes, that is the logic of it. It clears the existing screen first - which is 800x600. Then reduces the windows to a next to nothing size - which meant to prevent a crash. Then sets a 'High Colour' mode ( relatively speaking as it only has 256 colours ). Then makes the windows back to the new screen size, which is deliberately different in resolution to test the effect of the change. You miss my point - when the resolution is changed to 640x480, the outline for #0 is 800x600a0x0, and we all know what happens to a job whose outline falls outside the (new) screen limits... Erm ... do we ? What does happen ? The 'next to nothing' window size is meant to avoid a 'crash'. Although Rich has suggested adding in another Outline of OUTLN#0,512,256,0,0 before the DISP_COLOUR is used. -- Malcolm Cadman ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] Nasta's new email ?
Hi to all. I have tried to contact Nasta (Zeljko Nastasic) through email, but it seems that his email on QL related pages is invalid. His site works, but all data is pretty stale (1999 and older date) and his email account doesn't exist anymore. Does anyone here have his new email and care to share it ? TIA, Branko brankob at avtomatika dot com ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
