Re: RE: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS
CMOUR it may be, certainment pas amour, q'est que sait ces attachments ? Non je n'ouvre pas ! > Message date : Mar 18 2005, 02:53 PM > From : "Claude Mourier 00" > To : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Copy to : > Subject : RE: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS > Finally it woould be a generic parser that can be linked to more than one > database engine :-) > > Claude > > -Message d'origine- > De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de > François Van Emelen > Envoyé : vendredi 18 mars 2005 15:50 > À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Objet : Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS > > > Claude Mourier 00 schreef: > > To my opinion DataDesign is a better target for such implementation > > > > Claude > > Wouldn't DBAS be another valid candidate? > François Van Emelen > > > > -Message d'origine- > > De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de Rich > > Mellor > > Envoyé : dimanche 13 mars 2005 22:32 > > À : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Objet : Re: Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS > > > > > > On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:43:35 -, jms1 wrote: > > > > > >>Albin was toying with the idea of producing a version of SQL to run with > >>archive. > >>Would that be of interest? > > > > > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm > > > [ (no filename) (0.1 Kb) ] -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS
Finally it woould be a generic parser that can be linked to more than one database engine :-) Claude -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de FranÃois Van Emelen Envoyà : vendredi 18 mars 2005 15:50 à : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS Claude Mourier 00 schreef: > To my opinion DataDesign is a better target for such implementation > > Claude Wouldn't DBAS be another valid candidate? FranÃois Van Emelen > > -Message d'origine- > De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de Rich > Mellor > Envoyà : dimanche 13 mars 2005 22:32 > à : [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Objet : Re: Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS > > > On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:43:35 -, jms1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >>Albin was toying with the idea of producing a version of SQL to run with >>archive. >>Would that be of interest? ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS
Claude Mourier 00 schreef: To my opinion DataDesign is a better target for such implementation Claude Wouldn't DBAS be another valid candidate? FranÃois Van Emelen -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de Rich Mellor Envoyà : dimanche 13 mars 2005 22:32 à : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:43:35 -, jms1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Albin was toying with the idea of producing a version of SQL to run with archive. Would that be of interest? ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
RE: Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS
To my opinion DataDesign is a better target for such implementation Claude -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de Rich Mellor Envoyà : dimanche 13 mars 2005 22:32 à : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:43:35 -, jms1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Albin was toying with the idea of producing a version of SQL to run with > archive. > Would that be of interest? Most definitely would be of interest - would mean that we could offer a much more secure form of database to the wider community I should imagine - ie. the database stored within a QL emulator, which could be addressed from a PC or unix using SQL !! -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS Now SQL
A bit of a misunderstanding. Albin has said he was thinking of adding procedures so you could run SQL queries on archive tables. I suspect you are thinking of an alternative database implementation with SQL facilities. - Original Message - From: "Rich Mellor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 9:31 PM Subject: Re: Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS > On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:43:35 -, jms1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Albin was toying with the idea of producing a version of SQL to run with > > archive. > > Would that be of interest? > > Most definitely would be of interest - would mean that we could offer a > much more secure form of database to the wider community I should imagine > - ie. the database stored within a QL emulator, which could be addressed > from a PC or unix using SQL !! > > -- > Rich Mellor > RWAP Services > 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ > > http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:43:35 -, jms1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Albin was toying with the idea of producing a version of SQL to run with archive. Would that be of interest? Most definitely would be of interest - would mean that we could offer a much more secure form of database to the wider community I should imagine - ie. the database stored within a QL emulator, which could be addressed from a PC or unix using SQL !! -- Rich Mellor RWAP Services 26 Oak Road, Shelfield, Walsall, West Midlands WS4 1RQ http://www.rwapservices.co.uk/ ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS
Albin was toying with the idea of producing a version of SQL to run with archive. Would that be of interest? - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 4:12 PM Subject: Re: Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > How about mysql ;-) > > > > > > Close, SQLLite. > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Norman. > > Why do you intend to try to port this - just an exercise or do you want to be able to do SQL-like work at home on a QL? > > > > For 'fun', plus I always wanted a 'proper' SQL database on my QL. > > > > daresay it would be an interesting addition to the QL software armoury, although it seems a bit perverse to port it to a QL, at least at first sight. Mind you, I originally thought that about some of the things people like Jonathan Hudson used to port to QDOS, although some of his projects did get a fair bit of use over time. > > Well, watch this space - it might happen, but then again, it might be beyond me. > > > Cheers, > Norman. > > ___ > QL-Users Mailing List > http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Thanks. > > > > > How about mysql ;-) > > > > Close, SQLLite. > > > > > > Cheers, > > Norman. > Why do you intend to try to port this - just an exercise or do you want to be > able to do SQL-like work at home on a QL? > For 'fun', plus I always wanted a 'proper' SQL database on my QL. > daresay it would be an interesting addition to the QL software armoury, > although it seems a bit perverse to port it to a QL, at least at first sight. > Mind you, I originally thought that about some of the things people like > Jonathan Hudson used to port to QDOS, although some of his projects did get a > fair bit of use over time. Well, watch this space - it might happen, but then again, it might be beyond me. Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:33:03 +0100, Marcel Kilgus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: Not entirely :-) However your recollection is correct. Thierry, converted gcc with assistance from Dave Walker, Richard Zidlicky and (then) Jonathan Hudson to compile QL programs under Linux/Unix. So it is a cross compiler. It usually achieves a speed up of 20%+ over regular C68 programs due to the better math library. But it doesn't seem to be particularly stable, I've never got it to produce working code on my (back then) Linux 2.6.9/gcc 3.3.4 system. That is correct. Unfortunately for cross compiling to work it needs gcc 2.95.2. Theoretically it shouldn't but the changes between 2.9x releases and 3.x are so numerous that it doesn't work period (at least I haven't been able to do it ;-). The only way I found to do it is to do a separate install of gcc 2.95.2 somewhere and write scripts that take that into account. It is a major pain in the butt now... but didn't use to be when 2.95.2 was current :-) It is however part of the regular Q40-Linux distro and thus extremely easy to use it there (although the code produced has some hickups) Ffibys ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS
Phoebus R. Dokos wrote: > Not entirely :-) However your recollection is correct. Thierry, converted > gcc with assistance from Dave Walker, Richard Zidlicky and (then) Jonathan > Hudson to compile QL programs under Linux/Unix. So it is a cross compiler. > It usually achieves a speed up of 20%+ over regular C68 programs due to > the better math library. But it doesn't seem to be particularly stable, I've never got it to produce working code on my (back then) Linux 2.6.9/gcc 3.3.4 system. Marcel ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:49:27 +, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks. > How about mysql ;-) Close, SQLLite. Cheers, Norman. Why do you intend to try to port this - just an exercise or do you want to be able to do SQL-like work at home on a QL? I daresay it would be an interesting addition to the QL software armoury, although it seems a bit perverse to port it to a QL, at least at first sight. Mind you, I originally thought that about some of the things people like Jonathan Hudson used to port to QDOS, although some of his projects did get a fair bit of use over time. Perverse? Running Windoze is perverse ;-) Seriously though, why? :-) With TCP capabilities almost ready to roll in regular QL systems and available in 90% of emulators, it wouldn't be so weird to run a QL WebServer with an SQLlite backend. Imagine how cheap a QL based server appliance would be! Ffibys ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:44:33 +, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You can find qdos-gcc at: http://thgodef.nerim.net/qdos/english/frames.html> > > This project will take me some time and may not even appear (like many > in the past) but it could prove to be very useful if it does. Anyone > fancy a copy of Oracle running on their QL ? How about mysql ;-) Ffibys How about gcc itself on QDOSMSQ systems instead of having to be able to run Q60 Linux or whatever to run it? The only systems that would be able to run such a port would be high-end QL systems (ie 040+060) according at least to Thierry's account. That would immediately leave out emulators users except for users of UAE+QDOS Classic unless Daniele and Marcel do some fiddling with their emulation cores :-) Thierry's site implies this work was done by Richard Zidlicky, Jonathan Hudson, Thierry himself and Dave Walker as consultant. Isn't there a cross compiler version of C68 running on DOS(?) or Unix too (the name XTC68 seems to spring to mind)? Correct. Three editions exist (although I haven't been able to find the most recent versions (C68 v. 4.24f): XTC68NT (For Windows NT/2000/XP/.NET) XTC68DOS (For MS/Free/DR/PC/DOS) XTC68LINUX (For Linux) (Also runs on Free/NET/OpenBSD/Solaris and other BSD OSes if recompiled -or on x86 based architecture BSD OSes if Linux Binary Compatibility is enabled). I had recompiled a significant portion of C68 to run under Windows in combination with the Bloodshed IDE and SourceEDIT (See articles on QLT) but sadly I lost the sources (still got the binaries though). Dave had promised me to send me the most recent VC 6.0 compliant sources however he's obviously very busy. It is a shame though because compiled with .NET it would work really fast in a variety of architectures including MONO (A .NET compatible framework) - which also means that it would be able to run on a PocketPC! Mind you however, with very little fiddling, XTC68NT will work great with Bloodshed's IDE and if you upgrade the libraries you can immediately produce binaries even NOW using a great IDE, DEBUGGER etc... Ffibys ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS
> Thanks. > > > How about mysql ;-) > > Close, SQLLite. > > > Cheers, > Norman. Why do you intend to try to port this - just an exercise or do you want to be able to do SQL-like work at home on a QL? I daresay it would be an interesting addition to the QL software armoury, although it seems a bit perverse to port it to a QL, at least at first sight. Mind you, I originally thought that about some of the things people like Jonathan Hudson used to port to QDOS, although some of his projects did get a fair bit of use over time. Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS
> You can find qdos-gcc at: > http://thgodef.nerim.net/qdos/english/frames.html> > > > > This project will take me some time and may not even appear (like many > > in the past) but it could prove to be very useful if it does. Anyone > > fancy a copy of Oracle running on their QL ? > > How about mysql ;-) > > Ffibys How about gcc itself on QDOSMSQ systems instead of having to be able to run Q60 Linux or whatever to run it? Thierry's site implies this work was done by Richard Zidlicky, Jonathan Hudson, Thierry himself and Dave Walker as consultant. Isn't there a cross compiler version of C68 running on DOS(?) or Unix too (the name XTC68 seems to spring to mind)? Dilwyn Jones ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:12:22 +, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can find qdos-gcc at: http://thgodef.nerim.net/qdos/english/frames.html> Thanks. How about mysql ;-) Close, SQLLite. A :-)... Ohh :-) Yeahyeahyeahyeahyea! Arf! Ffibys ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > You can find qdos-gcc at: > http://thgodef.nerim.net/qdos/english/frames.html> Thanks. > How about mysql ;-) Close, SQLLite. Cheers, Norman. ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
Re: [ql-users] GCC on QDOS
On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:30:02 +, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'm not 100% certain, but I have a vague recollection (it's that memory problem again) that someone on this list, some time ago, mentioned that he/she/it had managed to port GCC to QDOS. Am I wrong ? Not entirely :-) However your recollection is correct. Thierry, converted gcc with assistance from Dave Walker, Richard Zidlicky and (then) Jonathan Hudson to compile QL programs under Linux/Unix. So it is a cross compiler. It usually achieves a speed up of 20%+ over regular C68 programs due to the better math library. If not, where is it and can I get hold of it. I'm thinking of a conversion from a Unix application to QDOSMSQ (in C not assembler so it won't feature in QL Today - unless reading about porting a C app to QDOS is entertaining) and I'm sure it would be easier to use GCC rather than C68. If not, then C68 it is/will be. The app is written in C rather than C++ so I don't really need GCC but what the hell. qdos-gcc CANNOT use C++ but only C. Reason being that only libc was ported and not anything else... Thierry said that he was going to work on it but I guess it went the way things usually go in the ql world :-) You can find qdos-gcc at: http://thgodef.nerim.net/qdos/english/frames.html> This project will take me some time and may not even appear (like many in the past) but it could prove to be very useful if it does. Anyone fancy a copy of Oracle running on their QL ? How about mysql ;-) Ffibys ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
[ql-users] GCC on QDOS
I'm not 100% certain, but I have a vague recollection (it's that memory problem again) that someone on this list, some time ago, mentioned that he/she/it had managed to port GCC to QDOS. Am I wrong ? If not, where is it and can I get hold of it. I'm thinking of a conversion from a Unix application to QDOSMSQ (in C not assembler so it won't feature in QL Today - unless reading about porting a C app to QDOS is entertaining) and I'm sure it would be easier to use GCC rather than C68. If not, then C68 it is/will be. The app is written in C rather than C++ so I don't really need GCC but what the hell. This project will take me some time and may not even appear (like many in the past) but it could prove to be very useful if it does. Anyone fancy a copy of Oracle running on their QL ? Cheers, Norman. PS. Only joking about Oracle !!! ___ QL-Users Mailing List http://www.q-v-d.demon.co.uk/smsqe.htm
