Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread SMSQ - Jochen Merz
The only way, taking a leaf from Linux, that it is going to increase it's market penetration is if it is freely available for download, under a GNU license. This is a bullet that has to be bitten, if there is to be any future for the platform! Very encouraging discussion ... how many new

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread COLIN PARSONS
The only way, taking a leaf from Linux, that it is going to increase it's market penetration is if it is freely available for download, under a GNU license. This is a bullet that has to be bitten, if there is to be any future for the platform! Very encouraging discussion ... how many new

Re: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread Dilwyn Jones
I really cannot imagine that a price of 45 pounds is unaffordable. One visit to a restaurant with your family is likely to be more expensive. Bad example if you live in the US ;-) hehe (You can feed 4 for about $20... mind you not a fancy restaurant but a lot of food nonetheless...

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread pgraf
COLIN PARSONS wrote: The only way, taking a leaf from Linux, that it is going to increase it's market penetration is if it is freely available for download, under a GNU license. This is a bullet that has to be bitten, if there is to be any future for the platform! One can make money with

Re: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread Dilwyn Jones
We're not competing with Linux or anything else - what we have is unique, thanks to many people. I'd say that EVERYBODY who puts time into QDOS/SMSQ does it because he likes it ... some do it for free, some don't, but isn't it up to them? This view fits in with what people tell me, that they

Re: Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread Dilwyn Jones
One can make money with free software also, but by adding value instead of charging for the rigths over the binaries. Added value can be: - Distribution packages (Disk/CD/DVD) - Handbooks and documentation - Commercial support (e.g. for those who bought the package/docs) - Provide

Re: [ql-users] Perfection

2005-04-21 Thread P Witte
Dilwyn Jones writes: Although I don't think Freddy gets much time for QLing these days, he speaks nostalgically of his time with the QL. I happened to mention Quanta's QL Is 21 meeting to him. He said it may be of interest to him and might wish to attend, if only for nostalgic reasons, if

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread P Witte
Dilwyn Jones writes: One can make money with free software also, but by adding value instead of charging for the rigths over the binaries. Added value can be: - Distribution packages (Disk/CD/DVD) - Handbooks and documentation - Commercial support (e.g. for those who bought the

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread COLIN PARSONS
- Original Message - From: P Witte [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jeremy Taffel writes: So, all I was saying is that I think that there could be a market beyond the one that seemingly (according to other emails) has reached saturation, and foolishly set myself up as a skinflint by offering myself

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread Malcolm Cadman
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dilwyn Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes So, all I was saying is that I think that there could be a market beyond the one that seemingly (according to other emails) has reached saturation, and foolishly set myself up as a skinflint by offering myself as someone who

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread Roy wood
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], COLIN PARSONS [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP Taking an example from the Linux community again, a LOT, if they have any real belief in the future of the platform. How many work in the QL sector for real monetary gain, rather than love of the product? This is an

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread \Phoebus R. Dokos ( . \\)\
On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 14:44:10 -0400, Roy wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], COLIN PARSONS [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP Taking an example from the Linux community again, a LOT, if they have any real belief in the future of the platform. How many work in the QL sector

Re: [ql-users] Familiar old names ....was Perfection

2005-04-21 Thread gwicks
Hear, hear! Im all for it. Will someone make sure they get reminders in good time? (We wouldnt want them to get away, would we ;) And how about Sector Beatty, SNG, Sturat, Lau Reeves, Jonathan Oakley, Chas Dillon, and anyone else we can think of, too? One of the reasons we are setting up a QL

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread Tarquin Mills
Phoebus Dokos wrote: As I said above, I think you got it wrong here. The fact that you choose to answer the questions or that these users call, has NOTHING to do with Support schemes. If you choose to answer, well that's a credit to you, but not the software author's fault! You SHOULD

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread SMSQ - Jochen Merz
Tarquin Mills wrote: Phoebus Dokos wrote: As I said above, I think you got it wrong here. The fact that you choose to answer the questions or that these users call, has NOTHING to do with Support schemes. If you choose to answer, well that's a credit to you, but not the software author's

Re: [ql-users] Perfection

2005-04-21 Thread Dilwyn Jones
Although I don't think Freddy gets much time for QLing these days, he speaks nostalgically of his time with the QL. I happened to mention Quanta's QL Is 21 meeting to him. He said it may be of interest to him and might wish to attend, if only for nostalgic reasons, if his work etc allows at the

Re: [ql-users] Q40 for sale, reasonable price

2005-04-21 Thread Dilwyn Jones
Hi John, if you have not managed to sell it by the time of the next QL Today deadline (15th May) send Jochen or me an email with a small advert for inclusion in the mag if you like. Dilwyn Jones - Original Message - From: John Rawden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread Jeremy Taffel
SMSQ - Jochen Merz wrote: We cut QPC as a special offer to 49 EUR last year (this is about 33 pounds - the price region you talk about) ... did we get hundreds and thousands of sales? No! Where did you advertise this? I didn't know about it. Jeremy ___

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread Roy wood
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Tarquin Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes One technique is to get an 0870 (national number) at 7p a minutes and 1p or 2p of the call charge is given to you, this is like the system that free ISPs use and if I had the money for a second line for a QL ISP I would use. The

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread Roy wood
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], =?utf-8?B?XCJQaG9lYnVzIFIuIERva29zICjOps6/zq/Oss6/z4IgzqEuIM6dz4TPjA==?= =?utf-8?B?zrpcIlwizr/PgilcIg==?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP FOS Software does not mean Free Support if the dealer or creator doesn't intend it that way. Users that confuse the both need a

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread Roy wood
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeremy Taffel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SMSQ - Jochen Merz wrote: We cut QPC as a special offer to 49 EUR last year (this is about 33 pounds - the price region you talk about) ... did we get hundreds and thousands of sales? No! Where did you advertise this? I didn't

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread Roy wood
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Roy wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], =?utf-8?B?XCJQaG9lYnVzIFIuIERva29zICjOps6/zq/Oss6/z4IgzqEuIM6dz4TPjA==?= =?utf-8?B?zrpcIlwizr/PgilcIg==?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SNIP FOS Software does not mean Free Support if the dealer or creator

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread Jeremy Taffel
P Witte wrote: Jeremy Taffel writes: So, all I was saying is that I think that there could be a market beyond the one that seemingly (according to other emails) has reached saturation, and foolishly set myself up as a skinflint by offering myself as someone who fell into that market. I

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread Jeremy Taffel
Roy wood wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeremy Taffel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SMSQ - Jochen Merz wrote: We cut QPC as a special offer to 49 EUR last year (this is about 33 pounds - the price region you talk about) ... did we get hundreds and thousands of sales? No! Where did you

Re: [ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread David Tubbs
At 00:18 22/04/2005 +0100, you wrote: Roy wood wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jeremy Taffel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes SMSQ - Jochen Merz wrote: We cut QPC as a special offer to 49 EUR last year (this is about 33 pounds - the price region you talk about) ... did we get hundreds and

[ql-users] Just an idea for a new Product.....

2005-04-21 Thread James Hunkins
For myself, I started QDT as an interesting project. Plus I really enjoy the people involved in the community. To be honest, I would have abandoned the project quite a while ago if I was only doing it for the money. Probably before it even started. On the other hand, while the money will