Re: ORBS helps hackers to break into srevers

2000-11-28 Thread Russell Nelson
Piotr Kasztelowicz writes: Qmail is one MTA only, which suports and propagates ORBS "moral" Who does this? Not me. If anybody asks about ORBS, I tell them not to use it. -- -russ nelson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | The best way

Re: ORBS helps hackers to break into srevers

2000-11-20 Thread Piotr Kasztelowicz
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Adam McKenna wrote: Hello, this list is for discussion of qmail, if you wish to discuss orbs please take this to SPAM-L or elsewhere. The answer for all subscibers, Adam, I am not sure that this is disscusion for spam-l rather than qmail list. Qmail is one MTA only,

Re: ORBS helps hackers to break into srevers

2000-11-20 Thread OK 2 NET - André Paulsberg
Qmail is one MTA only, which suports and propagates ORBS "moral" and technical thus availablility to connect with qmail platform to ORBS and reject mail from listed by ORBS hosts. Neither sendmail nor postfix is interested with ORBS anty-spam system and don't support ORBS. The ORBS system

Re: ORBS helps hackers to break into srevers

2000-11-20 Thread Johan Almqvist
[sorry but this was just too much...] On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 01:33:22PM +0100, Piotr Kasztelowicz wrote: Qmail is one MTA only, which suports and propagates ORBS "moral" and technical thus availablility to connect with qmail platform to ORBS and reject mail from listed by ORBS hosts.

Re: ORBS helps hackers to break into srevers

2000-11-20 Thread Adam McKenna
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 01:33:22PM +0100, Piotr Kasztelowicz wrote: On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, Adam McKenna wrote: Hello, this list is for discussion of qmail, if you wish to discuss orbs please take this to SPAM-L or elsewhere. The answer for all subscibers, Adam, I am not sure that this is

Re: ORBS helps hackers to break into srevers

2000-11-20 Thread Alex Pennace
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 07:08:33AM +0100, Piotr Kasztelowicz wrote: It not difficult to spuppose, that if MTA were old and insecure=possible for open relay the rest of sotwares are insecure too. There are many insecure hosts that are not on the ORBS list simply because they are not running an

Re: ORBS helps hackers to break into srevers

2000-11-20 Thread Piotr Kasztelowicz
On Mon, 20 Nov 2000, OK 2 NET - André Paulsberg wrote: This is NOT true, and you are way off mark. 1. There is no official support of ORBS to my knowledge from QMAIL and its authors, not in the way you are implying in your posting to this list. 2. Sendmail and postfix and ALL other

ORBS helps hackers to break into srevers

2000-11-19 Thread Piotr Kasztelowicz
Hello I will say about my experience with ORBS (as network administrator) because the peoples associated with qmail have given good recommendation to use and base on ORBS as good anti-spam method. I let to be another opinion! After crush of one of Polish Cardiac Society's Server placed in

Re: ORBS helps hackers to break into srevers

2000-11-19 Thread Alex Pennace
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 01:35:20AM +0100, Piotr Kasztelowicz wrote: I will say about my experience with ORBS (as network administrator) because the peoples associated with qmail have given good recommendation to use and base on ORBS as good anti-spam method. I let to be another opinion!

Re: ORBS helps hackers to break into srevers

2000-11-19 Thread Piotr Kasztelowicz
On Sun, 19 Nov 2000, Alex Pennace wrote: The story I got so far is ORBS tested your machine and found it to be an open relay. You fixed it and ORBS tested you again. Meanwhile there were isolated connection attempts from Romania and a system crash you haven't firmly correlated to anything

Re: ORBS helps hackers to break into srevers

2000-11-19 Thread Alex Pennace
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 02:14:57AM +0100, Piotr Kasztelowicz wrote: The hackers read ORBS data base called by its "insecure hosts" and apply to break hosts direclty from list! ORBS only lists hosts that are open mail relays. ORBS doesn't list hosts that are not open relays but have other

Re: ORBS helps hackers to break into srevers

2000-11-19 Thread Piotr Kasztelowicz
Hello ORBS only lists hosts that are open mail relays. ORBS doesn't list hosts that are not open relays but have other vulnerabilities. ORBS is not a list of hosts with insecure telnet daemons. ORBS is not a list of hosts with insecure ftp daemons. It not difficult to spuppose, that if

Re: ORBS helps hackers to break into srevers

2000-11-19 Thread Adam McKenna
On Mon, Nov 20, 2000 at 07:08:55AM +0100, Piotr Kasztelowicz wrote: Send mail to ORBS and try to resolve this with them. ORBS has ignored all letters and will not stop scanning of my host Hello, this list is for discussion of qmail, if you wish to discuss orbs please take this to SPAM-L or