[q] Replacement Hard Drive for a Preforma LC 575

2005-12-23 Thread Michael
Hi,
I recently acquired a Preforma LC 575, though it seems the hard drive
has died because whenever I start it I just get a flashing question
mark.
If anyone knows where I could I could get a replacement hard drive (I
think its a scsi), or has any suggestions to fix my problem, I would
really appreciate it.
Thanks

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Re: [q] Replacement Hard Drive for a Preforma LC 575

2005-12-23 Thread William Ove

On Dec 23, 2005, at 5:17 AM, Michael wrote:


I recently acquired a Preforma LC 575, though it seems the hard drive
has died because whenever I start it I just get a flashing question
mark.
If anyone knows where I could I could get a replacement hard drive (I
think its a scsi), or has any suggestions to fix my problem, I would
really appreciate it.


A flashing question mark on startup means that the computer is unable  
to find a suitable operating system to boot from. That might mean the  
hard drive is bad, but it might also mean that the OS is missing or  
corrupt.


You can try and start from either a boot floppy or from a CD. If it  
starts and a hard drive icon appears on the desktop you would simply  
need to install or reinstall an OS on the computer.


If you do need a hard drive for your computer, the low end swap list  
is an excellent place to start looking.
http://lowendmac.com/lists/swap.html. If you need an OS to install  
System 7.5 and updaters are still available from Apple.  http:// 
home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/index.html also has a listing of assorted  
Mac OSes and places to find them.


Good luck
bill

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Re: [q] Replacement Hard Drive for a Preforma LC 575

2005-12-23 Thread Michael
Thanks for the tips Bill,
Unfortunately whenever I try to boot from the 'Install Me First Cd' or
the floppies that came with the mac, the message 'Welcome to
Macintosh' comes up on the screen and then it freezes. I'm not sure if
this is correct but i have been told that if it can not find a hard
drive then it wont be able to boot from cd or floppy.
Thanks agin,
Michael


On 23/12/05, William Ove [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On Dec 23, 2005, at 5:17 AM, Michael wrote:

  I recently acquired a Preforma LC 575, though it seems the hard drive
  has died because whenever I start it I just get a flashing question
  mark.
  If anyone knows where I could I could get a replacement hard drive (I
  think its a scsi), or has any suggestions to fix my problem, I would
  really appreciate it.

 A flashing question mark on startup means that the computer is unable
 to find a suitable operating system to boot from. That might mean the
 hard drive is bad, but it might also mean that the OS is missing or
 corrupt.

 You can try and start from either a boot floppy or from a CD. If it
 starts and a hard drive icon appears on the desktop you would simply
 need to install or reinstall an OS on the computer.

 If you do need a hard drive for your computer, the low end swap list
 is an excellent place to start looking.
 http://lowendmac.com/lists/swap.html. If you need an OS to install
 System 7.5 and updaters are still available from Apple.  http://
 home.earthlink.net/~gamba2/index.html also has a listing of assorted
 Mac OSes and places to find them.

 Good luck
 bill

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Re: [q] Replacement Hard Drive for a Preforma LC 575

2005-12-23 Thread Chuck Bush
It certainly could be the hard drive, but it is not necessarily. The
question mark means the system simply cannot find a start up system. Do you
have an internal or external CD drive? Start the system with a OS CD, and
see if the hard drive mounts. You may just need to reinstall the Operating
System. When I maintained many of those in a school district, they often
forget how to use their operating systems, and I had to reinstall to totally
fix them.

Chuck

On 12/23/05 5:17 AM, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 I recently acquired a Preforma LC 575, though it seems the hard drive
 has died because whenever I start it I just get a flashing question
 mark.
 If anyone knows where I could I could get a replacement hard drive (I
 think its a scsi), or has any suggestions to fix my problem, I would
 really appreciate it.
 Thanks


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Re: [q] Replacement Hard Drive for a Preforma LC 575

2005-12-23 Thread Michael
Hi,
Thanks, but nothing happens when I boot with the OS CD ('Install Me
First CD') in the cd drive. I just keep getting the flashing question
mark. When I boot with a floppy that has a picture of an Ambulance on
the side, I get a Welcome to Macintosh message on the screen but
that's as far as it gets because it always hangs there.Sorry if what I
say sound silly but I am just taking my first steps into the world of
Mac.


On 23/12/05, Chuck Bush [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 It certainly could be the hard drive, but it is not necessarily. The
 question mark means the system simply cannot find a start up system. Do you
 have an internal or external CD drive? Start the system with a OS CD, and
 see if the hard drive mounts. You may just need to reinstall the Operating
 System. When I maintained many of those in a school district, they often
 forget how to use their operating systems, and I had to reinstall to totally
 fix them.

 Chuck

 On 12/23/05 5:17 AM, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi,
  I recently acquired a Preforma LC 575, though it seems the hard drive
  has died because whenever I start it I just get a flashing question
  mark.
  If anyone knows where I could I could get a replacement hard drive (I
  think its a scsi), or has any suggestions to fix my problem, I would
  really appreciate it.
  Thanks


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Re: [q] Replacement Hard Drive for a Preforma LC 575

2005-12-23 Thread Chuck Bush
The reason I mentioned an external CD drive is often the stock CD drive that
came with the LC575 was not fast enough to boot the computer. Also, you
would do much better to start it up with a system 8, 8.6, or 9 (not 9.1 or
higher) CD than system 7. Even if you eventually reinstall system 7, I have
found the other OS CDs to be much better on emergency startup and repair.

If you do get it going with a CD, you probably should reformat the HD (Drive
Setup program on the CD), and then reinstall the system. You can run the
System 7 CD in the built in CD Player, while an external CD Player is your
startup drive. I have then found it helps to restart with the CD again after
installing the new system, holding down the option and command keys to
rebuild the desktop folder before actually starting the computer with your
new system.

Again, you may indeed have a bad hard drive, but if it is something else,
replacing the HD may not solve your problem.

Chuck

On 12/23/05 6:57 AM, Michael [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi,
 Thanks, but nothing happens when I boot with the OS CD ('Install Me
 First CD') in the cd drive. I just keep getting the flashing question
 mark. When I boot with a floppy that has a picture of an Ambulance on
 the side, I get a Welcome to Macintosh message on the screen but
 that's as far as it gets because it always hangs there.Sorry if what I
 say sound silly but I am just taking my first steps into the world of
 Mac.


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Re: [q] Replacement Hard Drive for a Preforma LC 575

2005-12-23 Thread Dylan McDermond


On Dec 23, 2005, at 6:12 AM, Chuck Bush wrote:


Also, you
would do much better to start it up with a system 8, 8.6, or 9 (not  
9.1 or

higher) CD than system 7.


Being a 68k, the LC575 will only go as high as 8.1.

The OP should probably open the back panel and look to see if there  
is a HDD in there at all.


-Dylan

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Re: [q] Performa/LC 575

2005-12-23 Thread Bryan Kattwinkel
on 12/23/05 3:30 PM, Dylan McDermond wrote:

The OP should probably open the back panel and look to see if there  
is a HDD in there at all.

Given the symptoms, I would suggest disconnecting that internal hard 
drive and trying again to boot from floppy or CD. When it freezes at 
Welcome to Mac it may be attempting to access the broken or scrambled 
internal drive. Or the floppy drive may be dirty (a common problem easily 
remedied by an ordinary floppy cleaning disk).

I assume the OP knows that it will attempt to boot from any floppy 
automatically, but you generally have to hold down the C key or 
Cmd-Opt-Shift-Delete to get it to ignore the hard drive and attempt to 
boot from the CD.

The 575 uses a SCSI hard drive, typically 250M in the original. I have 
plenty of these and the OP can contact me off-list to buy one. The hard 
drive and battery are the most likely components to fail on Macs of this 
vintage; battery failure does not prevent the 575 from booting.

... i have been told that if it can not find a hard
drive then it wont be able to boot from cd or floppy.

Not correct.

... often the stock CD drive that came with the LC575 was not
fast enough to boot the computer.

I've booted many a 580 and several 575's from CD without ever seeing this 
problem.

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Re: [q] Performa/LC 575

2005-12-23 Thread Chuck Bush
I have had some that would boot via built in CD too, but I have also worked
on ones that would not. Some of them shipped with single speed CD-ROM
drives.

Chuck

On 12/23/05 3:21 PM, Bryan Kattwinkel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ... often the stock CD drive that came with the LC575 was not
 fast enough to boot the computer.
 
 I've booted many a 580 and several 575's from CD without ever seeing this 


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Re: [q] Replacement Hard Drive for a Preforma LC 575

2005-12-23 Thread Clark Martin

At 10:34 PM +1000 12/23/05, Michael wrote:

Thanks for the tips Bill,
Unfortunately whenever I try to boot from the 'Install Me First Cd' or
the floppies that came with the mac, the message 'Welcome to
Macintosh' comes up on the screen and then it freezes. I'm not sure if
this is correct but i have been told that if it can not find a hard
drive then it wont be able to boot from cd or floppy.
Thanks agin,
Michael


It will boot without an HD.  But I have run into a few cases where it 
wouldn't boot with a corrupted HD.


So try disconnecting the HD and then booting from FD or CD.  If it 
does boot then you can try (if possible) this:


Leave the data cable connected to the HD but leave the power cable off.
Boot from FD or CD.
Connect the power cable to the HD.
Launch Drive Setup.

Then Either

Try mounting the drive.
See if the drive is accessible.
Update the driver on the disk (sometimes the problem is a corrupt driver).

or

Format the drive.
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