RE: [Quantum Owners] Brake pipe flare

2021-03-19 Thread susanandmartin 
Hi Derek. Jim is absolutely spot on (as always ) with his advice. I tried one 
of the first (multi sizes) link ones a few years back – utter rubbish, I’d have 
done better using a centre punch ☹
The second, hand -held one is a direct copy of my (very old) Sykes-Pickavent 
hand-held one and they work very well. As Jim says, the flare has to be done in 
one action. To do a double flare the flare tool is removed after the first 
flaring, and turned around to do the second part to complete the double flare. 
I’ve used mine for pipes of at least 3 kit cars including the Quantum, 
including being doubled-up using it by hand under the Calvy Mitchel many years 
ago. A first-class piece of kit. The expensive SP one may be easier to 
use/slightly better? But can’t be used when the operator is on their back under 
the car! Oh- ALWAYS remember to put the threaded fitting on the pipe before 
doing the flare ………. Don’t ask me how I know 
Martin Scott

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Sent: 19 March 2021 17:24
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Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Brake pipe flare

I think the Fiesta uses DIN/ISO - I have just been doing some saloon rear lines 
and braided hoses and used a DIN tool (Trident). If you do need to make the 
female concave type flares (ice cream cone shape) you will need the SAE type 
tool. I am pretty sure the SAE convex male flare will seal OK in a metric DIN 
concave seat as flare just deforms as the union is tightened (with copper or 
copper nickel pipes at least). 

John

On Friday, 19 March 2021 at 16:57:50 UTC Jim Hearne wrote:
Ok, after some googleing, what i thought was a double flare is actually called 
a bubble flare.
So, the Quantums have mostly bubble flares but there are some double flares on 
there as well.
 
Jim
 
 
From: Jim Hearne 
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2021 4:42 PM
To: quantu...@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Brake pipe flare
 
I think the Imperial and Metric brake pipe sizes are compatible, still seems to 
be called 3/16”
I’ve certainly not bought a specific imperial or metric tool, just a brake pipe 
tool.
Some of the joints are double flare so make sure your tool can do those.
 
Get a decent tool, the cheap ones are very hard to get proper flares.
https://www.halfords.com/tools/hand-tools/automotive-tools/halfords-brake-pipe-flaring-tool-kit-187982.html
This sort always seem to be poor.
 
I had one similar to this for a while, it was very good as long as you didn’t 
need to take the pipe out and put it back in again, it wouldn’t  always grip if 
you tried that.
https://www.carbuilder.com/uk/hand-held-brake-pipe-flaring-tool
 
I’ve got one of these now, very good but pricy.
https://www.zoro.co.uk/shop/automotive/brake-and-clutch-tools/027250-hand-held-auto-brake-pipe-flaring-tool/p/ZT1120233X?utm_source=google_medium=cpc_campaign=dsa-generic_content=automotive=dsa-900928623826=Cj0KCQjwl9GCBhDvARIsAFunhsklmb5SPdAjX_N1DdZrRwc8GGPvfEIkIuFKdOlc4H5fTOkSKJSqI7caAsz1EALw_wcB
 
Jim
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
From: Derek Clews 
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2021 4:28 PM
To: Quantum Owners Club 
Cc: Derek Clews 
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Brake pipe flare
 
Hi All, 
 
Can anyone confirm the Q Coupe and 2+2 (i.e. Fiesta Mk2) Brake system?  I want 
to get a flaring tool and think it is using a 4.75 DIN ISO 3/16" Single Bubble 
Flare.  Is that correct?

Cheers

Derek
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Brake pipe flare

2021-03-19 Thread list...@liberator-systems.co.uk 
I think the Fiesta uses DIN/ISO - I have just been doing some saloon rear 
lines and braided hoses and used a DIN tool (Trident). If you do need to 
make the female concave type flares (ice cream cone shape) you will need 
the SAE type tool. I am pretty sure the SAE convex male flare will seal OK 
in a metric DIN concave seat as flare just deforms as the union is 
tightened (with copper or copper nickel pipes at least). 

John

On Friday, 19 March 2021 at 16:57:50 UTC Jim Hearne wrote:

> Ok, after some googleing, what i thought was a double flare is actually 
> called a bubble flare.
> So, the Quantums have mostly bubble flares but there are some double 
> flares on there as well.
>  
> Jim
>  
>  
> *From:* Jim Hearne 
> *Sent:* Friday, March 19, 2021 4:42 PM
> *To:* quantu...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [Quantum Owners] Brake pipe flare
>  
> I think the Imperial and Metric brake pipe sizes are compatible, still 
> seems to be called 3/16”
> I’ve certainly not bought a specific imperial or metric tool, just a brake 
> pipe tool.
> Some of the joints are double flare so make sure your tool can do those.
>  
> Get a decent tool, the cheap ones are very hard to get proper flares.
>
> https://www.halfords.com/tools/hand-tools/automotive-tools/halfords-brake-pipe-flaring-tool-kit-187982.html
> This sort always seem to be poor.
>  
> I had one similar to this for a while, it was very good as long as you 
> didn’t need to take the pipe out and put it back in again, it wouldn’t  
> always grip if you tried that.
> https://www.carbuilder.com/uk/hand-held-brake-pipe-flaring-tool
>  
> I’ve got one of these now, very good but pricy.
>
> https://www.zoro.co.uk/shop/automotive/brake-and-clutch-tools/027250-hand-held-auto-brake-pipe-flaring-tool/p/ZT1120233X?utm_source=google_medium=cpc_campaign=dsa-generic_content=automotive=dsa-900928623826=Cj0KCQjwl9GCBhDvARIsAFunhsklmb5SPdAjX_N1DdZrRwc8GGPvfEIkIuFKdOlc4H5fTOkSKJSqI7caAsz1EALw_wcB
>  
> Jim
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> *From:* Derek Clews 
> *Sent:* Friday, March 19, 2021 4:28 PM
> *To:* Quantum Owners Club 
> *Cc:* Derek Clews 
> *Subject:* [Quantum Owners] Brake pipe flare
>  
> Hi All, 
>  
> Can anyone confirm the Q Coupe and 2+2 (i.e. Fiesta Mk2) Brake system?  I 
> want to get a flaring tool and think it is using a 4.75 DIN ISO 3/16" 
> Single Bubble Flare.  Is that correct?
>
> Cheers
>
> Derek
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Brake pipe flare

2021-03-19 Thread Jim Hearne 
Ok, after some googleing, what i thought was a double flare is actually called 
a bubble flare.
So, the Quantums have mostly bubble flares but there are some double flares on 
there as well.

Jim


From: Jim Hearne 
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2021 4:42 PM
To: quantumowners@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [Quantum Owners] Brake pipe flare

I think the Imperial and Metric brake pipe sizes are compatible, still seems to 
be called 3/16”
I’ve certainly not bought a specific imperial or metric tool, just a brake pipe 
tool.
Some of the joints are double flare so make sure your tool can do those.

Get a decent tool, the cheap ones are very hard to get proper flares.
https://www.halfords.com/tools/hand-tools/automotive-tools/halfords-brake-pipe-flaring-tool-kit-187982.html
This sort always seem to be poor.

I had one similar to this for a while, it was very good as long as you didn’t 
need to take the pipe out and put it back in again, it wouldn’t  always grip if 
you tried that.
https://www.carbuilder.com/uk/hand-held-brake-pipe-flaring-tool

I’ve got one of these now, very good but pricy.
https://www.zoro.co.uk/shop/automotive/brake-and-clutch-tools/027250-hand-held-auto-brake-pipe-flaring-tool/p/ZT1120233X?utm_source=google_medium=cpc_campaign=dsa-generic_content=automotive=dsa-900928623826=Cj0KCQjwl9GCBhDvARIsAFunhsklmb5SPdAjX_N1DdZrRwc8GGPvfEIkIuFKdOlc4H5fTOkSKJSqI7caAsz1EALw_wcB

Jim







From: Derek Clews 
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2021 4:28 PM
To: Quantum Owners Club 
Cc: Derek Clews 
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Brake pipe flare

Hi All, 

Can anyone confirm the Q Coupe and 2+2 (i.e. Fiesta Mk2) Brake system?  I want 
to get a flaring tool and think it is using a 4.75 DIN ISO 3/16" Single Bubble 
Flare.  Is that correct?


Cheers


Derek
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Re: [Quantum Owners] Brake pipe flare

2021-03-19 Thread Jim Hearne 
I think the Imperial and Metric brake pipe sizes are compatible, still seems to 
be called 3/16”
I’ve certainly not bought a specific imperial or metric tool, just a brake pipe 
tool.
Some of the joints are double flare so make sure your tool can do those.

Get a decent tool, the cheap ones are very hard to get proper flares.
https://www.halfords.com/tools/hand-tools/automotive-tools/halfords-brake-pipe-flaring-tool-kit-187982.html
This sort always seem to be poor.

I had one similar to this for a while, it was very good as long as you didn’t 
need to take the pipe out and put it back in again, it wouldn’t  always grip if 
you tried that.
https://www.carbuilder.com/uk/hand-held-brake-pipe-flaring-tool

I’ve got one of these now, very good but pricy.
https://www.zoro.co.uk/shop/automotive/brake-and-clutch-tools/027250-hand-held-auto-brake-pipe-flaring-tool/p/ZT1120233X?utm_source=google_medium=cpc_campaign=dsa-generic_content=automotive=dsa-900928623826=Cj0KCQjwl9GCBhDvARIsAFunhsklmb5SPdAjX_N1DdZrRwc8GGPvfEIkIuFKdOlc4H5fTOkSKJSqI7caAsz1EALw_wcB

Jim







From: Derek Clews 
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2021 4:28 PM
To: Quantum Owners Club 
Cc: Derek Clews 
Subject: [Quantum Owners] Brake pipe flare

Hi All, 

Can anyone confirm the Q Coupe and 2+2 (i.e. Fiesta Mk2) Brake system?  I want 
to get a flaring tool and think it is using a 4.75 DIN ISO 3/16" Single Bubble 
Flare.  Is that correct?


Cheers


Derek
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[Quantum Owners] Brake pipe flare

2021-03-19 Thread Derek Clews 
Hi All,

Can anyone confirm the Q Coupe and 2+2 (i.e. Fiesta Mk2) Brake system?  I want 
to get a flaring tool and think it is using a 4.75 DIN ISO 3/16" Single Bubble 
Flare.  Is that correct?

Cheers

Derek

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