Re: [qubes-users] qvm-block issues

2016-10-30 Thread Alex
On 10/31/2016 05:24 AM, Drew White wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> Well, I mounted an image to the guest. Then I finished, so I
> unmounted it in the vm and went to remove it to attach it to another
> guest...
> 
> I tried several different methods... [] 
> But that detaches everything. I only wanted to detach xvdi
> 
> To attach it I used 
>  
> [{username}@dom0 {foldername}]$ qvm-block -A {vmname}
> dom0:/run/media/{username}/{partition_label}/{imagename}.img 
> 
> 
Hi Drew,
afair qvm-block needs the name of the original VM where the device is
attached for removal. So, if you attached your device from dom0, you
will need to use dom0 for removal too. As an example, but using usbvm:

dom0$ qvm-block -a work usbvm:sdd
This attaches /dev/sdd in usbvm to work

dom0$ qvm-block -d usbvm:sdd
This now detaches /dev/sdd in usbvm from work

And this is why, in the --help output, the -d command has
  instead of just , to highlight the fact that
you need the original vm name. If you want to detach everything you can
use the second syntax suggested by --help, using the vm name, and this
will detach everything from that vm.

I do know that you are mounting an image file; and I don't know if this
works this way too - i.e. if you need to specify the full path to the
file, like this:

dom0$ qvm-block -a work dom0:/mnt/foo/bar.img
and then
dom0$ qvm-block -d dom0:/mnt/foo/bar.img
to detach it

You can probably check the output of "qvm-block" without parameters,
once the image file is mounted; the first column of the output contains
the names used to identify the devices (or files, I suppose) to be managed.

Hope this helps,
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[qubes-users] qvm-block issues

2016-10-30 Thread Drew White
Hi folks,

Well, I mounted an image to the guest.
Then I finished, so I unmounted it in the vm and went to remove it to attach it 
to another guest...

I tried several different methods...

[{username}@dom0 {foldername}]$ qvm-block -d {vmname}:xvdi
Usage: qvm-block -l [options]
usage: qvm-block -a [options]  :
usage: qvm-block -A [options]  :
usage: qvm-block -d [options] :
usage: qvm-block -d [options] 
List/set VM block devices.

qvm-block: error: Invalid VM or device name: {vmname}:xvdi
[{username}@dom0 {foldername}]$ qvm-block -d {vmname}:/dev/xvdi
Usage: qvm-block -l [options]
usage: qvm-block -a [options]  :
usage: qvm-block -A [options]  :
usage: qvm-block -d [options] :
usage: qvm-block -d [options] 
List/set VM block devices.

qvm-block: error: Invalid VM or device name: {vmname}:/dev/xvdi
[{username}@dom0 {foldername}]$ qvm-block -d {vmname}:/dev/xvdi1
Usage: qvm-block -l [options]
usage: qvm-block -a [options]  :
usage: qvm-block -A [options]  :
usage: qvm-block -d [options] :
usage: qvm-block -d [options] 
List/set VM block devices.

qvm-block: error: Invalid VM or device name: {vmname}:/dev/xvdi1
[{username}@dom0 {foldername}]$ qvm-block -d {vmname}
[{username}@dom0 {foldername}]$

So, the only one that worked was " qvm-block -d {vmname} "

But that detaches everything. I only wanted to detach xvdi

To attach it I used 

[{username}@dom0 {foldername}]$ qvm-block -A {vmname} 
dom0:/run/media/{username}/{partition_label}/{imagename}.img



I did this when it was saying that the device wasn't there, just to make 100% 
sure it was.

[root@{vmname} {foldername}]# ls /dev/xv*
/dev/xvda  /dev/xvdb  /dev/xvdc  /dev/xvdc1  /dev/xvdd  /dev/xvdi  /dev/xvdi1
[root@{vmname} {foldername}]# 




What is it that has gone wrong here?

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[qubes-users] Win 7 Template (QWT)

2016-10-30 Thread Drew White
Windows 7 Template
Boots.
Loads video driver
shows initial splash loading screen
then front end dissappears.

---  Before starting VM ---
debug  : on
default_user   : user
qrexec_installed   : False
qrexec_timeout : 60
guiagent_installed : False
seamless_gui_mode  : False
drive  : None
timezone   : localtime
internal   : False


---  After starting VM ---
debug  : on
default_user   : user
qrexec_installed   : True
qrexec_timeout : 60
guiagent_installed : True
seamless_gui_mode  : False
drive  : None
timezone   : localtime
internal   : False


Why does it change it back when I set it to be the other way?
I tell it that those things aren't there, and yet when I start the VM, it says 
they are...

Strange thing is..

debug  : on
default_user   : user
qrexec_installed   : True
qrexec_timeout : 60
guiagent_installed : True
seamless_gui_mode  : True
drive  : None
timezone   : localtime
internal   : False


I set seamless_gui_mode to TRUE, and it doesn't load in seamless mode.

WTH???

Then while I'm in there, the whole guest dies.

The Video Driver still isn't working right either. It's still very buggy.
Still has flashing Dom0 cursor. Still lags behind in a big way. Not very 
responsive.

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Re: [qubes-users] Qubes 3 MacOSX

2016-10-30 Thread Manuel Amador (Rudd-O)
On 06/17/2016 04:11 AM, Drew White wrote:
>
>
> On Sunday, 15 May 2016 14:05:50 UTC+10, Jeremy Rand wrote:
>
> FWIW, I think a legal argument could be made that such license
> agreements are anti-competitive and therefore unenforceable.
>  However,
> I am unaware of any specific precedent for this argument, so it would
> indeed probably be unwise for ITL to violate the license agreement
> unless their goal is to win the inevitable lawsuit and thus achieve a
> beneficial precedent.  (And while that would be laudable, I would
> definitely not blame ITL if they decided that such activities are not
> worth their effort or budget.)
>
> (And of course, I'm not a lawyer.)
>
>
> Well, in the end, I own a mac, It's not breaking any agreement or
> anything for me wanting to run it.

Yeah you are.  Check the licensing terms for the Mac OS X software that
came with it.

Not that it matters, as it's a bullshit "agreement" that transforms a
purchase into somewhat of a feudal renting system of objects.


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Re: [qubes-users] HCL - Lenovo ThinkPad Edge E531

2016-10-30 Thread Mirosław Wojciechowski
Thanks for the info.

niedz., 30.10.2016 o 19:47 użytkownik  napisał:

> On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 3:56:18 PM UTC-8, Mirosław Wojciechowski
> wrote:
> > Ok, i Checking this, and in my bios not Vt-d fuctions. But i only inform
> is that Qubes works well.
> >
> > Regards.
> >
> >
> >
> > sob., 5.03.2016 o 22:58 użytkownik Chris Laprise 
> napisał:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 03/05/2016 03:59 PM, Mirosław Wojciechowski wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > This must be some error, i have enable intel virtualization in bios.
> >
> > > On Virtualbox & VMWARE all working great. Qubes worki gratuluję to.
> >
> > >
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > It may be that Vt-x (normal virtualization extensions) is enabled, but
> >
> > without Vt-d (I/O virtualization)... I think this indicates that Lenovo
> >
> > does not support IOMMU features in the Thinkpad Edge line. I have seen
> >
> > reports about older Edge models having the Vt-d feature greyed-out in
> >
> > the BIOS settings.
> >
> >
> >
> > Qubes can work without IOMMU, but the level of security is reduced
> somewhat.
> >
> >
> >
> > Chris
>
> There are two reasons why VT-d is not supported.
>
> 1)
> The Thinkpad Edge E531 has a HM77 chipset, which does not support VT-d.
> Only their "business" and "workstation" lines (e.g. T530, W530) uses the
> QM77 chipset, which does support VT-d.
>
> 2)
> The Thinkpad Edge E531 has a socketed motherboard (which is a "good"
> thing, in general, and allows swapping out CPU's for better ones, etc).
>
> The 3632QM rPGA package (as opposed to BGA--a.k.a. "soldered") does NOT
> support VT-d. If you want VT-d, you will have to upgrade to a minimum of
> 3720QM for socketed CPU's. However, see reason #1 for why it would not work
> in your laptop.

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Re: [qubes-users] HCL - Lenovo ThinkPad Edge E531

2016-10-30 Thread pete . y . gao
On Saturday, March 5, 2016 at 3:56:18 PM UTC-8, Mirosław Wojciechowski wrote:
> Ok, i Checking this, and in my bios not Vt-d fuctions. But i only inform is 
> that Qubes works well.
> 
> Regards.
> 
> 
> 
> sob., 5.03.2016 o 22:58 użytkownik Chris Laprise  
> napisał:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 03/05/2016 03:59 PM, Mirosław Wojciechowski wrote:
> 
> >
> 
> > This must be some error, i have enable intel virtualization in bios.
> 
> > On Virtualbox & VMWARE all working great. Qubes worki gratuluję to.
> 
> >
> 
> >
> 
> 
> 
> It may be that Vt-x (normal virtualization extensions) is enabled, but
> 
> without Vt-d (I/O virtualization)... I think this indicates that Lenovo
> 
> does not support IOMMU features in the Thinkpad Edge line. I have seen
> 
> reports about older Edge models having the Vt-d feature greyed-out in
> 
> the BIOS settings.
> 
> 
> 
> Qubes can work without IOMMU, but the level of security is reduced somewhat.
> 
> 
> 
> Chris

There are two reasons why VT-d is not supported.

1)
The Thinkpad Edge E531 has a HM77 chipset, which does not support VT-d. Only 
their "business" and "workstation" lines (e.g. T530, W530) uses the QM77 
chipset, which does support VT-d.

2)
The Thinkpad Edge E531 has a socketed motherboard (which is a "good" thing, in 
general, and allows swapping out CPU's for better ones, etc).

The 3632QM rPGA package (as opposed to BGA--a.k.a. "soldered") does NOT support 
VT-d. If you want VT-d, you will have to upgrade to a minimum of 3720QM for 
socketed CPU's. However, see reason #1 for why it would not work in your laptop.

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[qubes-users] HCL - Intel NUC NUC5i5RYK, Samsung 850 EVO - 250GB - M.2 SATA III SSD, Crucial 16GB RAM

2016-10-30 Thread Max
Overall, works very well.

Tried very briefly (a day or two) with 3.1 but since the release of 3.2 have 
used this only.

With Qubes 3.1, I couldn't use my Logitech TK820 USB wireless keyboard or 
Elecom mouse during installation or to enter the decryption password. Once the 
user login prompt appeared this worked fine.

For Qubes 3.2, the wireless keyboard and mouse have been fine all through 
installation and from decryption to login.


For both Qubes 3.2 and 3.1 ethernet and WiFi have worked without issue. Playing 
video and sound are no issues through both the headphone jack and the HDMI.

The only issue I have had is from using an Asus VX228 Monitor (HDMI to miniHDMI 
or the mini display port). Switching the screen off and on is fine, waking from 
sleep is ok but if I unplug the monitor and plug it back in again the screen is 
blank and I cannot wake it. This issue doesn't occur when using booting from 
another Linux distribution such as TAILS or Fedora 24. 

I haven't yet downloaded any further drivers as I am unclear whether this is 
required. Any advice on how to resolve this? I would like to be able to leave 
Qubes operating on the NUC without a monitor and locked as I intend to have 
programs operating continually.

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[qubes-users] HCL - HP ENVY TS 17 Notebook PC

2016-10-30 Thread 4uxcui+80l0k0izjc24o via qubes-users
Hello,

Kindly find attached HCL report. 
I just install Qubes 3.2, run and all works fine. Sleep mode is OK, network 
both adapters (WiFi and Ethernet) works fine too in default NetVM.






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[qubes-users] Trying to do an in-place upgrade from 3.1.17 to 3.2

2016-10-30 Thread Richard
I'm trying to upgrade my Qubes 3.1.17 to 3.2  I've followed the steps outlined 
here: https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/upgrade-to-r3.2/  However, when I run...

   sudo qubes-dom0-update --releasever=3.2 qubes-release

  I receive:
  Loaded plugins: yum-qubes-hooks
  Nothing to do
  No packages downloaded
  file:///var/lib/qubes/updates/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 14] curl#37 
- "Couldn't open file /var/lib/qubes/updates/repodata/repomd.xml"
  Trying other mirror.
  Nothing to do

So of course running... sudo qubes-dom0-update --clean also provides a similar 
error:

  Errno 14] curl#7 - "Failed to connect to pubmirror1.math.uh.edu port 443: 
No route to host" 
  Trying other mirror.
  No new updates available
  No updates avaliable 

Is anybody able to advise me what I need to do to be able to do an in-place 
upgrade to 3.2?

Thanks,
Richard

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[user@dom0 ~]$ sudo qubes-dom0-update --releasever=3.2 qubes-release
There is no selected ClockVM, aborting.
Using sys-firewall as UpdateVM to download updates for Dom0; this may take some 
time...
Running command on VM: 'sys-firewall'...
(Note: dnf will complain that the yum command has been deprecated.
This message is safe to ignore.)
Yum command has been deprecated, use dnf instead.
See 'man dnf' and 'man yum2dnf' for more information.

Yum command has been deprecated, use dnf instead.
See 'man dnf' and 'man yum2dnf' for more information.

Loaded plugins: yum-qubes-hooks
Nothing to do
No packages downloaded
file:///var/lib/qubes/updates/repodata/repomd.xml: [Errno 14] curl#37 - 
"Couldn't open file /var/lib/qubes/updates/repodata/repomd.xml"
Trying other mirror.
Nothing to do
[user@dom0 ~]$ sudo qubes-dom0-update --clean
There is no selected ClockVM, aborting.
Using sys-firewall as UpdateVM to download updates for Dom0; this may take some 
time...
Running command on VM: 'sys-firewall'...
(Note: dnf will complain that the yum command has been deprecated.
This message is safe to ignore.)
Yum command has been deprecated, use dnf instead.
See 'man dnf' and 'man yum2dnf' for more information.

Loaded plugins: yum-qubes-hooks
Cleaning repos: fedora qubes-dom0-current qubes-templates-itl updates
Cleaning up everything
Checking for dom0 updates...
Yum command has been deprecated, use dnf instead.
See 'man dnf' and 'man yum2dnf' for more information.

https://pubmirror1.math.uh.edu/fedora-buffet/archive/fedora/linux/releases/20/Everything/x86_64/os/repodata/0054652738782478eff37604abc430cdf327795d157634e1dfcca0fa18d8fedf-primary.sqlite.bz2:
 [Errno 14] curl#7 - "Failed to connect to pubmirror1.math.uh.edu port 443: No 
route to host"
Trying other mirror.
No new updates available
No updates avaliable

[user@dom0 ~]$ yum info qubes-core-dom0
Installed Packages  

Name: qubes-core-dom0   

Arch: x86_64

Version : 3.1.17

Release : 1.fc20
Size: 1.6 M
Repo: installed
>From repo   : qubes-dom0-cached
Summary : The Qubes core files (Dom0-side)
URL : http://www.qubes-os.org
License : GPL
Description : The Qubes core files for installation on Dom0.

[user@dom0 ~]$ ^C
[user@dom0 ~]$  
   

   



  

   

  

 

Re: [qubes-users] Xscreensaver not working when app-menu is open

2016-10-30 Thread Alex
On 10/30/2016 03:48 PM, yaqu wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 03:28:39 -0700 (PDT), "Mike A." 
>  wrote:
> 
>> But if I open the application menu band then close the lid, the 
>> screensaver does not kick in. When I open the lid later, I can
>> start using the machine just where I left it.
>> 
>> I am running Qubes 3.2 with Xfce.
>> 
>> Can anyone else recreate this, or is it just a problem locally
>> here (user error at my end)?
> 
> I have tested it on Lenovo T520 (R3.2, Xfce) and got the same
> behaviour - closing lid has no effect while appmenu is opened. I have
> tested it with various settings in Xfce Power Manager (lock screen,
> suspend, switch off display). When appmenu is closed, closing lid
> works as expected.
> 
> Additionally, locking screen manually (Ctrl-Alt-L) doesn't work too
> while appmenu is opened.
> 
It's a known problem of X (as an architecture); it prevents any
succesful implementation of the concept of lock screens. It does not
only affect Xfce, but all other desktop environments - actually, it
affects all X11 implementations on any platform because screen locking
is a scenario not provided by the architecture. You may check on
https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2015/01/why-screen-lockers-on-x11-cannot-be-secure/
for an extended explanation of the concept, from the perspective of KDE
developers. One common symptom is the one you described; i.e. opening
any menu prevents screen-savers or screen-lockers from running.

Our only reasonable hope in the relatively-near future is Wayland, whose
architecture does provide for a screen-locking scenario; the adoption in
Qubes may not be straightforward because of the way windows are cloned
from the VMs into dom0. In short, qubes-guid needs to be able to
screengrab every window, which is something Wayland tries to prevent for
privacy and security concerns.

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Re: [qubes-users] Xscreensaver not working when app-menu is open

2016-10-30 Thread yaqu
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 03:28:39 -0700 (PDT), "Mike A."
 wrote:

> But if I open the application menu band then close the lid, the
> screensaver does not kick in. When I open the lid later, I can start
> using the machine just where I left it.
> 
> I am running Qubes 3.2 with Xfce.
> 
> Can anyone else recreate this, or is it just a problem locally here
> (user error at my end)?

I have tested it on Lenovo T520 (R3.2, Xfce) and got the same behaviour - 
closing lid has no effect while appmenu is opened. I have tested it with 
various settings in Xfce Power Manager (lock screen, suspend, switch off 
display). When appmenu is closed, closing lid works as expected.

Additionally, locking screen manually (Ctrl-Alt-L) doesn't work too while 
appmenu is opened.

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[qubes-users] Xscreensaver not working when app-menu is open

2016-10-30 Thread Mike A.
Installed qubes-os on a Lenovo T430s, and almost everything seem to work pretty 
well. 

Normally when I put the laptop away, I just close the lid and it goes to sleep. 
when I open the lid, Xscreensaver have kicked in, and I have to put in my 
password to start using it. So far, so good.

But if I open the application menu band then close the lid, the screensaver 
does not kick in. When I open the lid later, I can start using the machine just 
where I left it.

I am running Qubes 3.2 with Xfce.

Can anyone else recreate this, or is it just a problem locally here (user error 
at my end)?

Cheers,

Mike A. 

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