Re: [qubes-users] Win7 template serial number activation
On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 9:00:27 AM UTC-4, Francesco wrote: > @Zrubi > > > > On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Dominique St-Pierre Boucher > wrote: > > > On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 2:19:24 AM UTC-4, Laszlo Zrubecz wrote: > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > > Hash: SHA256 > > > > > > On 04/26/2017 01:44 AM, Franz wrote: > > > > Hello friends, I need to install Win7 for the first time after > > > > years and wonder if it is possible to activate a template Win7 with > > > > the proper serial number and then have child VMs that are already > > > > activated and keep so over time. > > > > > > Short answer: No, you better create a HVM > > > > > > > > > Details: > > > Depends on your licence - but in general the activation are bound to > > > your hardware - Virtual Machine in case Qubes. > > > > > > If you activate your template, that will be permanent. And at least you > > > will be fine with updating windows. > > > > > > However if you create an AppVM using this template, windows will see > > > another hardware and asking for an activation. Even if you activate this > > > instance you will lost that state by rebooting it. > > > > > > In practice this will not limiting you using template based Windows VMs. > > > At least technically. > > > > > > Not sure how long you can run an unactivated windows before start poking > > > you about this fact. > > > > > > > Many thanks Zrubi for your very detailed answer. Reading your explanation I > remembered that once was able to use a non-Qubes windows installation even if > it was not activated. So imagine that the same may be done with template > childs, particularly if they are somehow created anew after every reboot. So > this may be an acceptable compromise. > > > > > > For a legal solution - ask your windows licencing expert ;) > > > > > I imagine that even Microsoft representatives do not know the reply > > > > > > > > > > - -- > > > Zrubi > > > > > > > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > > > Version: GnuPG v2 > > > > > > iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJZADvgAAoJEH7adOMCkunmB7UQAJk68yVp2oNfIWDs/NsZyliY > > > r8mftxdcZFiqzr6MlCyu/QGR4lKeV5DxjMoXoIx3Ms9IXM2DBE6tM/i7t0pT4bds > > > gYgQ749LuzOYN7wa4c9aYK0Q2K6+0yJs/Oykhqpyjb8M3MAXmUuISu/6bnt4KyHJ > > > yuIeTbEeLY+xuAI/nYJCP0WMfZDbmjQPsFuimDnxcXyB8xPdEOJ1kJp6TQ2soML9 > > > bdETCO4G/9Dzrl2dbfK/Rfz3r/Z5TbvvWTWegyezRkLriaj/xgLtBZEGtFVAsRHR > > > gamESfnXB5LHW/nOKYJYhS4j0nZrcfL6vfvgonAOZTTxWf4tZrZKsgC2kYOiOIU6 > > > zUyx4Fw7qjj3RM08gGtV+lKLkouebmgFWYIxfrbuRWsTT41w1+WXoYQIG3UR6W0r > > > kYIbNeAGIwaZXrlwvjUk4cFfqLGErUr7S8BoV66NqoQQ7aniNbOphZ2IeBnYpmrc > > > O/Ir9vaEzH0zU4isn3mx78dzG350PgcMd1K0UicdyDpblh5q2aqHaFtgbYxd4sYl > > > wF+aNOOG5i3RQN3AckdbA/BlPRf4UDXd7Evv1nf03h0M0N9jkhC4VhgNm0OF39f/ > > > 3ENYu8qTJ7PYdzhORe8rSeBckpJuUcByGAgTcflvrf5DLTC7q0s6UZqbr2iF0zqj > > > j5bBTix3j3fNX1k4IkpQ > > > =J5AW > > > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > > > Is there really such thing as a Micro$oft licensing expert? License term > change all the time. Refering you to a website that can be change after > you've accepted the EULA... > > > > In theory, when you reboot your VM, it should look like a new install so > every time you reboot, it should work?!?!?! > > > > I just finished installing a Windows 7 template. I will do some test! > > > > > > Yes, let us know Dominique, thanks > > > Dominique > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "qubes-users" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to qubes-users...@googlegroups.com. > > To post to this group, send email to qubes...@googlegroups.com. > > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/222af6be-b129-4eb8-a482-d652f0fd3eda%40googlegroups.com. > > > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. Preliminary test with Windows 7 Pro and a MAK key installed in the template: - when I start the appvm, it activates with the proper MAK key with no issue - I think that retail or OEM are different. Can someone confirm? Dominique -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/f5715477-7ae6-4ead-b560-b02ee1f79766%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Win7 template serial number activation
@Zrubi On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 9:51 AM, Dominique St-Pierre Boucher < dominiqu...@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 2:19:24 AM UTC-4, Laszlo Zrubecz wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > > Hash: SHA256 > > > > On 04/26/2017 01:44 AM, Franz wrote: > > > Hello friends, I need to install Win7 for the first time after > > > years and wonder if it is possible to activate a template Win7 with > > > the proper serial number and then have child VMs that are already > > > activated and keep so over time. > > > > Short answer: No, you better create a HVM > > > > > > Details: > > Depends on your licence - but in general the activation are bound to > > your hardware - Virtual Machine in case Qubes. > > > > If you activate your template, that will be permanent. And at least you > > will be fine with updating windows. > > > > However if you create an AppVM using this template, windows will see > > another hardware and asking for an activation. Even if you activate this > > instance you will lost that state by rebooting it. > > > > In practice this will not limiting you using template based Windows VMs. > > At least technically. > > > > Not sure how long you can run an unactivated windows before start poking > > you about this fact. > > > Many thanks Zrubi for your very detailed answer. Reading your explanation I remembered that once was able to use a non-Qubes windows installation even if it was not activated. So imagine that the same may be done with template childs, particularly if they are somehow created anew after every reboot. So this may be an acceptable compromise. > For a legal solution - ask your windows licencing expert ;) > I imagine that even Microsoft representatives do not know the reply > > > > > > - -- > > Zrubi > > > > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > > Version: GnuPG v2 > > > > iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJZADvgAAoJEH7adOMCkunmB7UQAJk68yVp2oNfIWDs/NsZyliY > > r8mftxdcZFiqzr6MlCyu/QGR4lKeV5DxjMoXoIx3Ms9IXM2DBE6tM/i7t0pT4bds > > gYgQ749LuzOYN7wa4c9aYK0Q2K6+0yJs/Oykhqpyjb8M3MAXmUuISu/6bnt4KyHJ > > yuIeTbEeLY+xuAI/nYJCP0WMfZDbmjQPsFuimDnxcXyB8xPdEOJ1kJp6TQ2soML9 > > bdETCO4G/9Dzrl2dbfK/Rfz3r/Z5TbvvWTWegyezRkLriaj/xgLtBZEGtFVAsRHR > > gamESfnXB5LHW/nOKYJYhS4j0nZrcfL6vfvgonAOZTTxWf4tZrZKsgC2kYOiOIU6 > > zUyx4Fw7qjj3RM08gGtV+lKLkouebmgFWYIxfrbuRWsTT41w1+WXoYQIG3UR6W0r > > kYIbNeAGIwaZXrlwvjUk4cFfqLGErUr7S8BoV66NqoQQ7aniNbOphZ2IeBnYpmrc > > O/Ir9vaEzH0zU4isn3mx78dzG350PgcMd1K0UicdyDpblh5q2aqHaFtgbYxd4sYl > > wF+aNOOG5i3RQN3AckdbA/BlPRf4UDXd7Evv1nf03h0M0N9jkhC4VhgNm0OF39f/ > > 3ENYu8qTJ7PYdzhORe8rSeBckpJuUcByGAgTcflvrf5DLTC7q0s6UZqbr2iF0zqj > > j5bBTix3j3fNX1k4IkpQ > > =J5AW > > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > Is there really such thing as a Micro$oft licensing expert? License term > change all the time. Refering you to a website that can be change after > you've accepted the EULA... > > In theory, when you reboot your VM, it should look like a new install so > every time you reboot, it should work?!?!?! > > I just finished installing a Windows 7 template. I will do some test! > > Yes, let us know Dominique, thanks Dominique > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "qubes-users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/ > msgid/qubes-users/222af6be-b129-4eb8-a482-d652f0fd3eda%40googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/CAPzH-qCHnS-XX%2B-iFCqpzS7a6kU99PZpd-tEqa8%2BEPt7vfBKnA%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Win7 template serial number activation
On Wednesday, April 26, 2017 at 2:19:24 AM UTC-4, Laszlo Zrubecz wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > On 04/26/2017 01:44 AM, Franz wrote: > > Hello friends, I need to install Win7 for the first time after > > years and wonder if it is possible to activate a template Win7 with > > the proper serial number and then have child VMs that are already > > activated and keep so over time. > > Short answer: No, you better create a HVM > > > Details: > Depends on your licence - but in general the activation are bound to > your hardware - Virtual Machine in case Qubes. > > If you activate your template, that will be permanent. And at least you > will be fine with updating windows. > > However if you create an AppVM using this template, windows will see > another hardware and asking for an activation. Even if you activate this > instance you will lost that state by rebooting it. > > In practice this will not limiting you using template based Windows VMs. > At least technically. > > Not sure how long you can run an unactivated windows before start poking > you about this fact. > > For a legal solution - ask your windows licencing expert ;) > > > - -- > Zrubi > > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v2 > > iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJZADvgAAoJEH7adOMCkunmB7UQAJk68yVp2oNfIWDs/NsZyliY > r8mftxdcZFiqzr6MlCyu/QGR4lKeV5DxjMoXoIx3Ms9IXM2DBE6tM/i7t0pT4bds > gYgQ749LuzOYN7wa4c9aYK0Q2K6+0yJs/Oykhqpyjb8M3MAXmUuISu/6bnt4KyHJ > yuIeTbEeLY+xuAI/nYJCP0WMfZDbmjQPsFuimDnxcXyB8xPdEOJ1kJp6TQ2soML9 > bdETCO4G/9Dzrl2dbfK/Rfz3r/Z5TbvvWTWegyezRkLriaj/xgLtBZEGtFVAsRHR > gamESfnXB5LHW/nOKYJYhS4j0nZrcfL6vfvgonAOZTTxWf4tZrZKsgC2kYOiOIU6 > zUyx4Fw7qjj3RM08gGtV+lKLkouebmgFWYIxfrbuRWsTT41w1+WXoYQIG3UR6W0r > kYIbNeAGIwaZXrlwvjUk4cFfqLGErUr7S8BoV66NqoQQ7aniNbOphZ2IeBnYpmrc > O/Ir9vaEzH0zU4isn3mx78dzG350PgcMd1K0UicdyDpblh5q2aqHaFtgbYxd4sYl > wF+aNOOG5i3RQN3AckdbA/BlPRf4UDXd7Evv1nf03h0M0N9jkhC4VhgNm0OF39f/ > 3ENYu8qTJ7PYdzhORe8rSeBckpJuUcByGAgTcflvrf5DLTC7q0s6UZqbr2iF0zqj > j5bBTix3j3fNX1k4IkpQ > =J5AW > -END PGP SIGNATURE- Is there really such thing as a Micro$oft licensing expert? License term change all the time. Refering you to a website that can be change after you've accepted the EULA... In theory, when you reboot your VM, it should look like a new install so every time you reboot, it should work?!?!?! I just finished installing a Windows 7 template. I will do some test! Dominique -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/222af6be-b129-4eb8-a482-d652f0fd3eda%40googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] Win7 template serial number activation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 04/26/2017 01:44 AM, Franz wrote: > Hello friends, I need to install Win7 for the first time after > years and wonder if it is possible to activate a template Win7 with > the proper serial number and then have child VMs that are already > activated and keep so over time. Short answer: No, you better create a HVM Details: Depends on your licence - but in general the activation are bound to your hardware - Virtual Machine in case Qubes. If you activate your template, that will be permanent. And at least you will be fine with updating windows. However if you create an AppVM using this template, windows will see another hardware and asking for an activation. Even if you activate this instance you will lost that state by rebooting it. In practice this will not limiting you using template based Windows VMs. At least technically. Not sure how long you can run an unactivated windows before start poking you about this fact. For a legal solution - ask your windows licencing expert ;) - -- Zrubi -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJZADvgAAoJEH7adOMCkunmB7UQAJk68yVp2oNfIWDs/NsZyliY r8mftxdcZFiqzr6MlCyu/QGR4lKeV5DxjMoXoIx3Ms9IXM2DBE6tM/i7t0pT4bds gYgQ749LuzOYN7wa4c9aYK0Q2K6+0yJs/Oykhqpyjb8M3MAXmUuISu/6bnt4KyHJ yuIeTbEeLY+xuAI/nYJCP0WMfZDbmjQPsFuimDnxcXyB8xPdEOJ1kJp6TQ2soML9 bdETCO4G/9Dzrl2dbfK/Rfz3r/Z5TbvvWTWegyezRkLriaj/xgLtBZEGtFVAsRHR gamESfnXB5LHW/nOKYJYhS4j0nZrcfL6vfvgonAOZTTxWf4tZrZKsgC2kYOiOIU6 zUyx4Fw7qjj3RM08gGtV+lKLkouebmgFWYIxfrbuRWsTT41w1+WXoYQIG3UR6W0r kYIbNeAGIwaZXrlwvjUk4cFfqLGErUr7S8BoV66NqoQQ7aniNbOphZ2IeBnYpmrc O/Ir9vaEzH0zU4isn3mx78dzG350PgcMd1K0UicdyDpblh5q2aqHaFtgbYxd4sYl wF+aNOOG5i3RQN3AckdbA/BlPRf4UDXd7Evv1nf03h0M0N9jkhC4VhgNm0OF39f/ 3ENYu8qTJ7PYdzhORe8rSeBckpJuUcByGAgTcflvrf5DLTC7q0s6UZqbr2iF0zqj j5bBTix3j3fNX1k4IkpQ =J5AW -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/9d318cdc-ece7-5e24-53db-2af79f93a783%40zrubi.hu. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] Win7 template serial number activation
Hello friends, I need to install Win7 for the first time after years and wonder if it is possible to activate a template Win7 with the proper serial number and then have child VMs that are already activated and keep so over time. Best Fran -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/CAPzH-qDxz9M2dS9jOhD3U5y_P2uii8WjT3nsRVVWhwOGHyWSKw%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
