Re: [qubes-users] realized why I always lose sound in the vms

[Andrew David Wong]

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On 2017-04-05 22:55, Jean-Philippe Ouellet wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:29 PM, cooloutac  wrote:
>> The sound mixer app I installed xfe in mutes things when I lower the volume 
>> all the way by accident.  Never realized till now lol.  I always have to go 
>> into dom0 alsamixer.
>>
>> Is there a better plugin to use?  Does a new iso come with one by default 
>> now?
> 
> This same exact bug keeps coming up again and again. See:
> - https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2550
> - https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2117
> - https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2291
> - https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2321
> - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/qubes-users/53TYf5GYkqY/ZU8i5v6JAwAJ
> 
> This was fixed a while ago, but people don't get the fix because of
> the limitations of updating dom0 by only updating the packages
> installed there. When things get fixed in the installer, they don't
> trickle down to existing systems, and we don't publish new release
> ISOs except for on major releases. This means the default install is
> often broken, and many people end up needing to independently solve
> the same problems over and over. This is clearly not ideal, and IMO
> the way in which we manage dom0 needs some rethinking.
> 
> For this specific case I think we'd need a meta-package tracking which
> packages are installed by the installer, and have the installer just
> list that one and have deps of it be pulled in automatically. That
> would let us update *which* packages are installed by default and have
> that change affect existing installs. Then, as for actually putting
> the new mixer in the panel, we'd probably need a %post section in a
> relevant package or something.
> 

Thanks for bringing this problem and solution to everyone's attention,
JPO. I've created a tracking issue (which, I hope, properly captures
both the problem and the proposed solution):

https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2742

> IMO updating needs a better solution overall. I tried to start a
> discussion about this here:
> - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/qubes-users/dCctVsf15dE/discussion
> but it didn't go anywhere.
> 

IMHO, the reason that thread didn't go anywhere was because it did not
clearly identify a serious problem that needed to be solved or an
enhancement that ought to be implemented. I think your message above
does a much better job of doing both, and the older thread is clearer in
light of it.

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Andrew David Wong (Axon)
Community Manager, Qubes OS
https://www.qubes-os.org
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Re: [qubes-users] realized why I always lose sound in the vms

[cooloutac]

On Thursday, April 6, 2017 at 1:56:14 AM UTC-4, Jean-Philippe Ouellet wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:29 PM, cooloutac  wrote:
> > The sound mixer app I installed xfe in mutes things when I lower the volume 
> > all the way by accident.  Never realized till now lol.  I always have to go 
> > into dom0 alsamixer.
> >
> > Is there a better plugin to use?  Does a new iso come with one by default 
> > now?
> 
> This same exact bug keeps coming up again and again. See:
> - https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2550
> - https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2117
> - https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2291
> - https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2321
> - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/qubes-users/53TYf5GYkqY/ZU8i5v6JAwAJ
> 
> This was fixed a while ago, but people don't get the fix because of
> the limitations of updating dom0 by only updating the packages
> installed there. When things get fixed in the installer, they don't
> trickle down to existing systems, and we don't publish new release
> ISOs except for on major releases. This means the default install is
> often broken, and many people end up needing to independently solve
> the same problems over and over. This is clearly not ideal, and IMO
> the way in which we manage dom0 needs some rethinking.
> 
> For this specific case I think we'd need a meta-package tracking which
> packages are installed by the installer, and have the installer just
> list that one and have deps of it be pulled in automatically. That
> would let us update *which* packages are installed by default and have
> that change affect existing installs. Then, as for actually putting
> the new mixer in the panel, we'd probably need a %post section in a
> relevant package or something.
> 
> IMO updating needs a better solution overall. I tried to start a
> discussion about this here:
> - https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/qubes-users/dCctVsf15dE/discussion
> but it didn't go anywhere.

yes I feel like the losing sound issue is the most common Qubes problem.

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Re: [qubes-users] realized why I always lose sound in the vms

[Jean-Philippe Ouellet]

On Wed, Apr 5, 2017 at 11:29 PM, cooloutac  wrote:
> The sound mixer app I installed xfe in mutes things when I lower the volume 
> all the way by accident.  Never realized till now lol.  I always have to go 
> into dom0 alsamixer.
>
> Is there a better plugin to use?  Does a new iso come with one by default now?

This same exact bug keeps coming up again and again. See:
- https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2550
- https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2117
- https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2291
- https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/2321
- https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/qubes-users/53TYf5GYkqY/ZU8i5v6JAwAJ

This was fixed a while ago, but people don't get the fix because of
the limitations of updating dom0 by only updating the packages
installed there. When things get fixed in the installer, they don't
trickle down to existing systems, and we don't publish new release
ISOs except for on major releases. This means the default install is
often broken, and many people end up needing to independently solve
the same problems over and over. This is clearly not ideal, and IMO
the way in which we manage dom0 needs some rethinking.

For this specific case I think we'd need a meta-package tracking which
packages are installed by the installer, and have the installer just
list that one and have deps of it be pulled in automatically. That
would let us update *which* packages are installed by default and have
that change affect existing installs. Then, as for actually putting
the new mixer in the panel, we'd probably need a %post section in a
relevant package or something.

IMO updating needs a better solution overall. I tried to start a
discussion about this here:
- https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/qubes-users/dCctVsf15dE/discussion
but it didn't go anywhere.

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[qubes-users] realized why I always lose sound in the vms

[cooloutac]

The sound mixer app I installed xfe in mutes things when I lower the volume all 
the way by accident.  Never realized till now lol.  I always have to go into 
dom0 alsamixer.

Is there a better plugin to use?  Does a new iso come with one by default now?

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