Re: [qubes-users] DispVM broken in 3.2? (xen-4.6.6-37)
I used the following commands in dom0 to restore dispVM functionality: qubes-dom0-update xen-libs-4.6.6-36.fc23.x86_64 xen-hypervisor-4.6.6-36.fc23.x86_64 xen-runtime-4.6.6-36.fc23.x86_64 xen-hvm-4.6.6-36.fc23.x86_64 xen-4.6.6-36.fc23.x86_64 xen-license-4.6.6-36.fc23.x86_64 dnf downgrade xen-libs-4.6.6-36.fc23.x86_64 xen-hypervisor-4.6.6-36.fc23.x86_64 xen-runtime-4.6.6-36.fc23.x86_64 xen-hvm-4.6.6-36.fc23.x86_64 xen-4.6.6-36.fc23.x86_64 xen-license-4.6.6-36.fc23.x86_64 (downgrading the packages in the template was not necessary) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/f0a7a149-c5ed-c234-89ab-6ca26457f0d1%40riseup.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] DispVM broken in 3.2?
On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 11:52:00PM +, qubes-li...@riseup.net wrote: > What would be the step to downgrade to the previous version to > get dispVMs working again? > > qubes-dom0-update --action=downgrade xen something like this or is it > necessary to specify all packets individually? > >>> > >>> Depending on how attached you are to Fedora, you might want to temporarily > >>> try the Debian template instead of downgrading Xen? > >> > >> > >> I get the same error after switching to debian-9 as the dispVM template. > >> > >> So switching to debian-9 for dispVM is unfortunately _not_ a possible > >> workaround for this. > > > > You're using Testing arent you? > > Yes, to be precise: > > qubes-dom0-current-testing is _not_ enabled. > > qubes-dom0-security-testing _is_ enabled. > > > > You could downgrade to the 36 version of xen-libs and runtime etc. That > > should fix your problem until 6-38 is released > > What would be the recommended way of downgrading? (and wouldn't it be > better to revert all packages of the given upgrade?) > > qubes-dom0-update --action=downgrade xen-libs xen-runtime xen-hvm > > Maybe lets add generic downgrade instructions for such cases (dom0) to the > documentation? I would just downgrade the Xen packages to start. There are already instructions here: https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/software-update-dom0/ Look at the section on downgrading a specific package. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20180318003931.346etbyyr2nczxh4%40thirdeyesecurity.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] DispVM broken in 3.2?
What would be the step to downgrade to the previous version to get dispVMs working again? qubes-dom0-update --action=downgrade xen something like this or is it necessary to specify all packets individually? >>> >>> Depending on how attached you are to Fedora, you might want to temporarily >>> try the Debian template instead of downgrading Xen? >> >> >> I get the same error after switching to debian-9 as the dispVM template. >> >> So switching to debian-9 for dispVM is unfortunately _not_ a possible >> workaround for this. > > You're using Testing arent you? Yes, to be precise: qubes-dom0-current-testing is _not_ enabled. qubes-dom0-security-testing _is_ enabled. > You could downgrade to the 36 version of xen-libs and runtime etc. That > should fix your problem until 6-38 is released What would be the recommended way of downgrading? (and wouldn't it be better to revert all packages of the given upgrade?) qubes-dom0-update --action=downgrade xen-libs xen-runtime xen-hvm Maybe lets add generic downgrade instructions for such cases (dom0) to the documentation? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/720d2245-2082-d12e-2d79-7abbe485b90c%40riseup.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] DispVM broken in 3.2?
On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 08:13:00PM +, qubes-li...@riseup.net wrote: > > > awokd: > > On Sat, March 17, 2018 7:57 pm, qubes-li...@riseup.net wrote: > > > >> What would be the step to downgrade to the previous version to > >> get dispVMs working again? > >> > >> qubes-dom0-update --action=downgrade xen something like this or is it > >> necessary to specify all packets individually? > > > > Depending on how attached you are to Fedora, you might want to temporarily > > try the Debian template instead of downgrading Xen? > > > I get the same error after switching to debian-9 as the dispVM template. > > So switching to debian-9 for dispVM is unfortunately _not_ a possible > workaround for this. You're using Testing arent you? You could downgrade to the 36 version of xen-libs and runtime etc. That should fix your problem until 6-38 is released -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20180317231853.dnipgohq2iz4yedi%40thirdeyesecurity.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] DispVM broken in 3.2?
On Sat, March 17, 2018 8:13 pm, qubes-li...@riseup.net wrote: > I get the same error after switching to debian-9 as the dispVM template. > > > So switching to debian-9 for dispVM is unfortunately _not_ a possible > workaround for this. I saw Marek confirmed it's a Xen issue too. Thanks for trying it anyways, and for the heads up! -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/5ab326d23ae46a73039c116e39658aab.squirrel%40tt3j2x4k5ycaa5zt.onion. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] DispVM broken in 3.2?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 08:04:34PM -, 'awokd' via qubes-users wrote: > On Sat, March 17, 2018 7:57 pm, qubes-li...@riseup.net wrote: > > > What would be the step to downgrade to the previous version to > > get dispVMs working again? > > > > qubes-dom0-update --action=downgrade xen something like this or is it > > necessary to specify all packets individually? > > Depending on how attached you are to Fedora, you might want to temporarily > try the Debian template instead of downgrading Xen? > > I'm still on -36 so can't confirm... I think it wouldn't help. It looks like something is broken in Xen, not in template. - -- Best Regards, Marek Marczykowski-Górecki Invisible Things Lab A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQEzBAEBCAAdFiEEhrpukzGPukRmQqkK24/THMrX1ywFAlqm/ksACgkQ24/THMrX 1yyvcgf+MPUg0EmPMiT3RhPz2D2lz+CNrVlWsqgnlUPYc2RSYDAZeMZiSM/JUEOp eAwYYDekz47iWeoVgiuwvv28swlTMMw71kNQcgBR8ZndoBLjPFR/oLG9yr5RP/bI HhO8gb5TlZai7WWV8/TDbiJ0FHR2WczqD5oXBkcr1+lB6YxsiK6eXmnHbiTRSnvU 8SINDfVoeJhJuXKjUuFK7DddP+Bdoq7UfdRwg1ajqiowrZgItHhxt3Bq0Si+M1rF Ppo5Hw/vW3LWuy+q1EkhooQX+0hglOaElnbgWyes0iyt04QJdPYShvoQ2qyUnvfK I+r3ncgZoVmXFDfpDXE0VcixKMt32A== =4fa7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20180317201430.GE8712%40mail-itl. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] DispVM broken in 3.2?
awokd: > On Sat, March 17, 2018 7:57 pm, qubes-li...@riseup.net wrote: > >> What would be the step to downgrade to the previous version to >> get dispVMs working again? >> >> qubes-dom0-update --action=downgrade xen something like this or is it >> necessary to specify all packets individually? > > Depending on how attached you are to Fedora, you might want to temporarily > try the Debian template instead of downgrading Xen? I get the same error after switching to debian-9 as the dispVM template. So switching to debian-9 for dispVM is unfortunately _not_ a possible workaround for this. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/0f840e7d-5614-5db5-5338-33f436c84fc0%40riseup.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] DispVM broken in 3.2?
On Sat, March 17, 2018 7:57 pm, qubes-li...@riseup.net wrote: > What would be the step to downgrade to the previous version to > get dispVMs working again? > > qubes-dom0-update --action=downgrade xen something like this or is it > necessary to specify all packets individually? Depending on how attached you are to Fedora, you might want to temporarily try the Debian template instead of downgrading Xen? I'm still on -36 so can't confirm... -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/59491a7fdc2b4436fcfb3ba6cb355f09.squirrel%40tt3j2x4k5ycaa5zt.onion. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] DispVM broken in 3.2?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2018-03-17 14:57, qubes-li...@riseup.net wrote: > > > Andrew David Wong: >> On 2018-03-17 11:40, qubes-li...@riseup.net wrote: >> Have you made sure that you have updated the packages in the template and regenerated the DispVM? That's a common source of these problems and fixed it for me. >> >>> Yes I've updated and regenerated the dispvm after the dom0 update. >> >> >> Same here. Updating and regenerating did not resolve the issue. >> Tracking: >> >> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3711 > > thank you for filing it on gh! > > Assuming the latest updates introduced this regression: > > What would be the step to downgrade to the previous version to > get dispVMs working again? > > qubes-dom0-update --action=downgrade xen > something like this or is it necessary to specify > all packets individually? > `dnf history undo` or `dnf history rollback` might work, depending on which is appropriate: https://unix.stackexchange.com/q/349238 However, I don't know whether this is the optimal way, or whether it'll break anything, since these are Xen packages. There's also a concern that downgrading might render the machine vulnerable to Spectre SP2 again. - -- Andrew David Wong (Axon) Community Manager, Qubes OS https://www.qubes-os.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEZQ7rCYX0j3henGH1203TvDlQMDAFAlqtdJIACgkQ203TvDlQ MDC8Mw//fwCHZ9CeTUEHEA024XJ7WysII+FZvjk8DviLiRfFjaY1wGEYryY32uvo 5pejGc4l6kjnTW1Lolcn7AA7Ne4TpWXP6B7cl2SAWcHPm2+ka9E9lX8gy8S+16rt dY7uVxawFFQr2MwsW0bPiv8y510k7VjnAvchWWA6UEAYdW5PytrFNKWEIxxttxOc v+aEwAM5D399vES7++VgknQ9kKgaccN+ymLxdxjhYz666DdrWtBuB7YJDEnXKFWl 7Jux0W26loz1E3ADr/SOapjmxbmSQe/J4xcffpL4NOn6peP6VCtZqLFNzKM0FIVo aqUQLAuM8dGLOD7I4MjAW0Rxjg65UZV8G/dzY+RcUA7Qls0nw03ywLdnG5HwS9oS cJel/R8Bbvw7KXHrstENRx34i+UMmLGjvJoC6KAgS194aUzA0touODWlrQyPGaT+ gbRpSKAeDa0tXOX61VOobCFJGFm7oEDEV9l6DH+ln92XQNIwaNcbIBhazC9Zd4xi zIJB0IkylrjahLZRuwpKNV8kibGgI62uZoq8kcqBQPZ65WC/8n7jyKYafOvXizwS NGzo7QlQ2js/OcJW/FrxiR1t2+12ObNi8BkwoE5Srf8I2bceKMADNuqQEFxKsExI 0AL0Zd6cZ56fjf1QnIbcVuKvM7vFFZxl7zLIyJo2RER6dhZnUsg= =KsgK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/338ebd7e-285b-fcc8-6858-ef1f5bf132f1%40qubes-os.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] DispVM broken in 3.2?
Andrew David Wong: > On 2018-03-17 11:40, qubes-li...@riseup.net wrote: > >>> Have you made sure that you have updated the packages in the >>> template and regenerated the DispVM? That's a common source of >>> these problems and fixed it for me. > >> Yes I've updated and regenerated the dispvm after the dom0 update. > > > Same here. Updating and regenerating did not resolve the issue. > Tracking: > > https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3711 thank you for filing it on gh! Assuming the latest updates introduced this regression: What would be the step to downgrade to the previous version to get dispVMs working again? qubes-dom0-update --action=downgrade xen something like this or is it necessary to specify all packets individually? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/1379ed33-c305-a7fd-77ea-d1ccfb3023a8%40riseup.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] DispVM broken in 3.2?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 2018-03-17 11:40, qubes-li...@riseup.net wrote: > >> Have you made sure that you have updated the packages in the >> template and regenerated the DispVM? That's a common source of >> these problems and fixed it for me. > > Yes I've updated and regenerated the dispvm after the dom0 update. > Same here. Updating and regenerating did not resolve the issue. Tracking: https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues/3711 - -- Andrew David Wong (Axon) Community Manager, Qubes OS https://www.qubes-os.org -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEZQ7rCYX0j3henGH1203TvDlQMDAFAlqtcQcACgkQ203TvDlQ MDCQpw/+KBAcs3K4hqLv9XrgbSM3q7FyiDbNtvM/bd78v3/OI9Dmd74HW1R+irUP jbDCpunKhMJs8y/a0i7urrYPRSQ4Yy2j3QT4OduZj1YjqvxvtUzSD7i6NNdWgrV9 oCsKLjrZBvTtSMv2TbqlyMIbCwuvvUCUvCqN7478iGw0mNUvdjk0BJEwRqFmcPKK oHH/NKI9Ay8azjuFGu0l6Z+L1m73FYuJ8imch9GgAucJqx+YjMvX4cMfUoqMgu/m YougHWC9Ddyq4VFZ3tojrIaANOHRZeU2DzWVK58I/iDxMmWKHCV8xfD6iZLKT9VG zrONSZrAcbEUY+CBdEu45wcmhs7U6MD5DBx4LSXdVwF5yBYXPpuqcLiVgkhS6ro/ LBpSgGRQdHs8ePAr4BdaKA9Y/VRHjm8TNtHW5AriQ+kwnQtPl6VHjTNKOxn/xRoc 02MMDXQXkd2YPHcTYqSGpp61tuhBUgMO06+I09kjxzGIyGf0CFGUY47CDRUTvpXJ /IeXbu+ag3DvDezg18vkKo/WAALJyhSpnyBgk1LWGAohvk/t4AtKGeSZP3hTUTXJ l/UbnZEeJ2hPMq6Vb0X4qBzewioe74Qw0G263F5giYeOzBBDcUPt46+e8MulWmEW tEt3Y4lx3p3TnyasWK4slASj+sulKwX/BQ/t7yVygyEoJPKi+UQ= =WmKY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/01bbd9d1-cdfe-3f9c-16c1-43b3eb15aa8b%40qubes-os.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] DispVM broken in 3.2?
> Have you made sure that you have updated the packages in the template > and regenerated the DispVM? > That's a common source of these problems and fixed it for me. Yes I've updated and regenerated the dispvm after the dom0 update. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/ce5666fd-bf86-f2f0-25c7-7b0ce3fb9758%40riseup.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [qubes-users] DispVM broken in 3.2?
On Sat, Mar 17, 2018 at 11:53:00AM +, qubes-li...@riseup.net wrote: > DispVM functionality does no longer work for me in Q3.2 since yesterday. > > First I assumed the template is broken but after reinstalling the fedora-26 > template > from the rpm repo and recreating the DVM I get the very same error. > > Has anyone else the same problem after installing the latest dom0 updates? > > from the dom0 yum.log the latest installed updates were (2018-03-15): > > libgcc-5.3.1-6.qubes1.fc23.x86_64 > 2001:xen-licenses-4.6.6-37.fc23.x86_64 > 2001:xen-libs-4.6.6-37.fc23.x86_64 > 2001:xen-hypervisor-4.6.6-37.fc23.x86_64 > 2001:xen-runtime-4.6.6-37.fc23.x86_64 > libstdc++-5.3.1-6.qubes1.fc23.x86_64 > 2001:xen-hvm-4.6.6-37.fc23.x86_64 > 2001:xen-4.6.6-37.fc23.x86_64 > qubes-gpg-split-dom0-2.0.28-1.fc23.x86_64 > libgomp-5.3.1-6.qubes1.fc23.x86_64 > > > I also tried a reboot but that did not change anything either. > > > This is the error I get when trying to start xterm (or anything else) in a > DispVM: > > > echo xterm| /usr/lib/qubes/qfile-daemon-dvm qubes.VMShell dom0 DEFAULT red > time=1521287074.5, qfile-daemon-dvm init > time=1521287074.51, creating DispVM > time=1521287075.04, collection loaded > time=1521287075.05, VM created > time=1521287075.06, VM starting > time=1521287075.06, creating config file > time=1521287075.06, calling restore > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr/lib/qubes/qfile-daemon-dvm", line 217, in > main() > File "/usr/lib/qubes/qfile-daemon-dvm", line 205, in main > dispvm = qfile.get_dvm() > File "/usr/lib/qubes/qfile-daemon-dvm", line 167, in get_dvm > return self.do_get_dvm() > File "/usr/lib/qubes/qfile-daemon-dvm", line 103, in do_get_dvm > dispvm.start() > File > "/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/qubes/modules/01QubesDisposableVm.py", > line 193, in start > domain_config, libvirt.VIR_DOMAIN_SAVE_PAUSED) > File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/libvirt.py", line 4405, in > restoreFlags > if ret == -1: raise libvirtError ('virDomainRestoreFlags() failed', > conn=self) > libvirt.libvirtError: internal error: libxenlight failed to restore domain > 'disp1' Have you made sure that you have updated the packages in the template and regenerated the DispVM? That's a common source of these problems and fixed it for me. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/20180317124015.vgmzw6v45vsb52pu%40thirdeyesecurity.org. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[qubes-users] DispVM broken in 3.2?
DispVM functionality does no longer work for me in Q3.2 since yesterday. First I assumed the template is broken but after reinstalling the fedora-26 template from the rpm repo and recreating the DVM I get the very same error. Has anyone else the same problem after installing the latest dom0 updates? from the dom0 yum.log the latest installed updates were (2018-03-15): libgcc-5.3.1-6.qubes1.fc23.x86_64 2001:xen-licenses-4.6.6-37.fc23.x86_64 2001:xen-libs-4.6.6-37.fc23.x86_64 2001:xen-hypervisor-4.6.6-37.fc23.x86_64 2001:xen-runtime-4.6.6-37.fc23.x86_64 libstdc++-5.3.1-6.qubes1.fc23.x86_64 2001:xen-hvm-4.6.6-37.fc23.x86_64 2001:xen-4.6.6-37.fc23.x86_64 qubes-gpg-split-dom0-2.0.28-1.fc23.x86_64 libgomp-5.3.1-6.qubes1.fc23.x86_64 I also tried a reboot but that did not change anything either. This is the error I get when trying to start xterm (or anything else) in a DispVM: echo xterm| /usr/lib/qubes/qfile-daemon-dvm qubes.VMShell dom0 DEFAULT red time=1521287074.5, qfile-daemon-dvm init time=1521287074.51, creating DispVM time=1521287075.04, collection loaded time=1521287075.05, VM created time=1521287075.06, VM starting time=1521287075.06, creating config file time=1521287075.06, calling restore Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr/lib/qubes/qfile-daemon-dvm", line 217, in main() File "/usr/lib/qubes/qfile-daemon-dvm", line 205, in main dispvm = qfile.get_dvm() File "/usr/lib/qubes/qfile-daemon-dvm", line 167, in get_dvm return self.do_get_dvm() File "/usr/lib/qubes/qfile-daemon-dvm", line 103, in do_get_dvm dispvm.start() File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/qubes/modules/01QubesDisposableVm.py", line 193, in start domain_config, libvirt.VIR_DOMAIN_SAVE_PAUSED) File "/usr/lib64/python2.7/site-packages/libvirt.py", line 4405, in restoreFlags if ret == -1: raise libvirtError ('virDomainRestoreFlags() failed', conn=self) libvirt.libvirtError: internal error: libxenlight failed to restore domain 'disp1' -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to qubes-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to qubes-users@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/qubes-users/70bf5c3f-2eb2-023e-0944-1a3d1d31d47f%40riseup.net. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.