Re: [qubes-users] Network setup - TORVM-VPNVM

2017-08-19 Thread james . buttler1975
Also Can I safely use any app vm with whonix gw instead of whonix workstation? Thanks -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [qubes-users] Network setup - TORVM-VPNVM

2017-08-19 Thread james . buttler1975
So I want to have 2 different types of system One where it goes through tor and then through vpn so that websites don't see I am using tor So that would need to be whonix WS -> whonix GW -> VPN VM -> net vm And a seperate system that just uses tor Which would just be Whonix WS -> whonix

Re: [qubes-users] Network setup - TORVM-VPNVM

2017-08-18 Thread Micah Lee
On 08/18/2017 03:43 PM, james.buttler1...@gmail.com wrote: > Ah right ok. So I am working the wrong way around when I look at the chain? Think of the ProxyVMs (like sys-whonix, sys-vpn, sys-firewall, sys-net) as being liking a router that you connect a VM to as a gateway to get internet access.

Re: [qubes-users] Network setup - TORVM-VPNVM

2017-08-18 Thread james . buttler1975
Ah right ok. So I am working the wrong way around when I look at the chain? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [qubes-users] Network setup - TORVM-VPNVM

2017-08-18 Thread Sean Dilda
If you set it up as: AppVM -> TorVM -> VpnVM -> NetVM The VPN VM will use the Net VM to talk to the VPN server The Tor VM will use the VPN VM to talk to the next Tor node, then to your website With this, the website will see you coming from a Tor exit node. AppVM -> VpnVM -> TorVM -> NetVM

Re: [qubes-users] Network setup - TORVM-VPNVM

2017-08-18 Thread james . buttler1975
Or maybe I understand it better now? I'm still thinking my machine is one... If I get my head into thinking each vm is in fact a seperate machine Then the packet goes >From app vm -> tor vm then to the proxy vm but what i don't understand is >though the tor exit node must need an IP address

Re: [qubes-users] Network setup - TORVM-VPNVM

2017-08-18 Thread james . buttler1975
I don't mind if the isp knows I am using tor it's the website hats the problem since website doesn't allow tor users -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "qubes-users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

Re: [qubes-users] Network setup - TORVM-VPNVM

2017-08-18 Thread james . buttler1975
Hi thanks for the advice it seems my idea was correct then? What I can't get my head around is If I setup a whonix vm which torrifies all traffic and then set a proxy vm as its net vm my thinking of it >From the data packets point of view You create a dAta packet on your app vm That dAta

Re: [qubes-users] Network setup - TORVM-VPNVM

2017-08-18 Thread Micah Lee
On 08/17/2017 04:32 PM, james.buttler1...@gmail.com wrote: > I'm just starting to use qubes os and I'm trying to understand how it all > works. > > If I wanted to setup the system to route all my traffic through tor and then > that tor traffic through a vpn > > Would I simply setup a TORVM

Re: [qubes-users] Network setup - TORVM-VPNVM

2017-08-18 Thread Kolja Weber
That way round doesent make sense from the security point of view (besides the fact that your network will be VERY slow) its way better to route all traffic first via VPN and then Tor (so last hop is VPN and not Tor) > I'm just starting to use qubes os and I'm trying to understand how it all >

[qubes-users] Network setup - TORVM-VPNVM

2017-08-17 Thread james . buttler1975
I'm just starting to use qubes os and I'm trying to understand how it all works. If I wanted to setup the system to route all my traffic through tor and then that tor traffic through a vpn Would I simply setup a TORVM with Its netVM being the vpnvm ? Or can a netVM not have its own netVM?