[qubes-users] Re: Qubes OS 4.0-rc5 has been released!

2018-03-11 Thread Yuraeitha
On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 6:30:58 PM UTC+1, Dave wrote:
> I just used System Tools, Qubes Manager UPDATE (down arrow) for DOM0 and each 
> template without keying terminal commands. It appears to have worked, so I 
> assume that RC4 already included testing repo

yeah, if it's anything like it was back in Qubes 3.2. (I'd assume so), then 
these updates in the Qube Manager are stable updates. Once current-testing 
updates are deemed tested and stable after testers tried them out, they 
eventually migrate to stable repository. That's when you see them in the Qube 
Manager (or via normal update commands, not the current-testing ones). 

So I assume they must have been moved from testing to stable now? 

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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes OS 4.0-rc5 has been released!

2018-03-11 Thread Dave
I just used System Tools, Qubes Manager UPDATE (down arrow) for DOM0 and each 
template without keying terminal commands. It appears to have worked, so I 
assume that RC4 already included testing repo

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes OS 4.0-rc5 has been released!

2018-03-10 Thread contact . diesel
Hey Guys, 

thx for your Summary. Nice Work!

Am Samstag, 10. März 2018 15:02:20 UTC+1 schrieb Yuraeitha:
> On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 10:36:49 PM UTC+1, contact...@gmail.com wrote:
> > Thx for the great description and tips. I think I updated everything. Is 
> > there a way to check if  rc5 is active? 
> > 
> > One other thing:
> > When my system booted. TOR is connected but I get an gui error message from 
> > sys-whonix:
> > 
> > System clock check result
> > Unexpected result by timedatectl
> > Timedatectl_output_pretty:
> > 
> > Local time and universal time are the same 
> > RTC time: n/a
> > Time zone: etc/utc ( utc, +)
> > NTP enabled: yes
> > NTP sychronized: no
> > Rtc in local TZ: no
> > DST active: N/A
> > 
> > Does someone has the same Issue?
> 
> I improved the update commands a bit after looking a bit around.
> 
> dom0
> sudo qubes-dom0-update --enablerepo=qubes-dom0-current-testing --clean
> (or --check-only instead for dom0).
> 
> fedora
> sudo dnf update --enablerepo=qubes-vm-*-current-testing --refresh
> 
> debian/whonix
> sudo apt-get update -t *-testing && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -t *-testing
> 
> This way, you don't need to edit any files for debian/whonix to get the 
> testing.
> If you also want to increase reliability further, you can make a 
> dependency/cache check with "sudo apt-get check", which is normally very 
> quick. For that do;
> 
> debian/whonix
> sudo apt-get check && sudo apt-get update -t *-testing && sudo apt-get 
> dist-upgrade -t *-testing
> 
> 
> It may be possible to further optimize the update commands, if anyone got 
> suggestions, please feel free to opt-in so that we can recommend better 
> update approaches in the future.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes OS 4.0-rc5 has been released!

2018-03-10 Thread Yuraeitha
On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 10:36:49 PM UTC+1, contact...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thx for the great description and tips. I think I updated everything. Is 
> there a way to check if  rc5 is active? 
> 
> One other thing:
> When my system booted. TOR is connected but I get an gui error message from 
> sys-whonix:
> 
> System clock check result
> Unexpected result by timedatectl
> Timedatectl_output_pretty:
> 
> Local time and universal time are the same 
> RTC time: n/a
> Time zone: etc/utc ( utc, +)
> NTP enabled: yes
> NTP sychronized: no
> Rtc in local TZ: no
> DST active: N/A
> 
> Does someone has the same Issue?

I improved the update commands a bit after looking a bit around.

dom0
sudo qubes-dom0-update --enablerepo=qubes-dom0-current-testing --clean
(or --check-only instead for dom0).

fedora
sudo dnf update --enablerepo=qubes-vm-*-current-testing --refresh

debian/whonix
sudo apt-get update -t *-testing && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -t *-testing

This way, you don't need to edit any files for debian/whonix to get the testing.
If you also want to increase reliability further, you can make a 
dependency/cache check with "sudo apt-get check", which is normally very quick. 
For that do;

debian/whonix
sudo apt-get check && sudo apt-get update -t *-testing && sudo apt-get 
dist-upgrade -t *-testing


It may be possible to further optimize the update commands, if anyone got 
suggestions, please feel free to opt-in so that we can recommend better update 
approaches in the future.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes OS 4.0-rc5 has been released!

2018-03-09 Thread Yuraeitha
On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 10:55:16 PM UTC+1, awokd wrote:
> On Fri, March 9, 2018 9:50 pm, Yuraeitha wrote:
> > On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 10:36:49 PM UTC+1, contact...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Thx for the great description and tips. I think I updated everything.
> >> Is there a way to check if  rc5 is active?
> >>
> >>
> >> One other thing:
> >> When my system booted. TOR is connected but I get an gui error message
> >> from sys-whonix:
> >>
> >> System clock check result
> >> Unexpected result by timedatectl
> >> Timedatectl_output_pretty:
> >>
> >>
> >> Local time and universal time are the same
> >> RTC time: n/a
> >> Time zone: etc/utc ( utc, +)
> >> NTP enabled: yes
> >> NTP sychronized: no
> >> Rtc in local TZ: no
> >> DST active: N/A
> >>
> >>
> >> Does someone has the same Issue?
> >>
> >
> > Your welcome :)
> >
> >
> > I have exactly that issue whonix as well, but it's the first time I've
> > seen others having it. I haven't checked if it's on github yet though,
> > but so far we both have it.
> 
> It is in qubes-issues. Will be fixed with Whonix 14, which should be out
> soon.

That's good news, gonna have to keep track on when those new whonix updates are 
released then. Thanks awokd :)

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes OS 4.0-rc5 has been released!

2018-03-09 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users
On Fri, March 9, 2018 9:50 pm, Yuraeitha wrote:
> On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 10:36:49 PM UTC+1, contact...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
>> Thx for the great description and tips. I think I updated everything.
>> Is there a way to check if  rc5 is active?
>>
>>
>> One other thing:
>> When my system booted. TOR is connected but I get an gui error message
>> from sys-whonix:
>>
>> System clock check result
>> Unexpected result by timedatectl
>> Timedatectl_output_pretty:
>>
>>
>> Local time and universal time are the same
>> RTC time: n/a
>> Time zone: etc/utc ( utc, +)
>> NTP enabled: yes
>> NTP sychronized: no
>> Rtc in local TZ: no
>> DST active: N/A
>>
>>
>> Does someone has the same Issue?
>>
>
> Your welcome :)
>
>
> I have exactly that issue whonix as well, but it's the first time I've
> seen others having it. I haven't checked if it's on github yet though,
> but so far we both have it.

It is in qubes-issues. Will be fixed with Whonix 14, which should be out
soon.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes OS 4.0-rc5 has been released!

2018-03-09 Thread Yuraeitha
On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 10:36:49 PM UTC+1, contact...@gmail.com wrote:
> Thx for the great description and tips. I think I updated everything. Is 
> there a way to check if  rc5 is active? 
> 
> One other thing:
> When my system booted. TOR is connected but I get an gui error message from 
> sys-whonix:
> 
> System clock check result
> Unexpected result by timedatectl
> Timedatectl_output_pretty:
> 
> Local time and universal time are the same 
> RTC time: n/a
> Time zone: etc/utc ( utc, +)
> NTP enabled: yes
> NTP sychronized: no
> Rtc in local TZ: no
> DST active: N/A
> 
> Does someone has the same Issue?

Your welcome :)

I have exactly that issue whonix as well, but it's the first time I've seen 
others having it. I haven't checked if it's on github yet though, but so far we 
both have it. 

Also it seems some people have a graphical minor issue in the Qubes widget, 
where the update wheel for upstart/shutdown keeps spinning, and the log links 
stop working too. It doesn't seem to impact performance, but it can be a bit 
annoying having to use qvm-shutdown in dom0 to shutdown a VM properly, rather 
than pressing the kill command that appears in the widget bug. Well it works 
normally it seems, it's just a bit annoying bug. I think I've seen 4-5 people 
who is on RC-5 having it now, and it's also reported on github.

about checking if you're on RC-5, if you noticed during the update process 
which repository the updates came from (i.e. from current-testing in fedora 
updates), then you will know it pulled down the current-testing updates.

I'm not sure about a way to confirm it more directly though, that's actually an 
interesting question, I'd like to find a solution for that one as well.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes OS 4.0-rc5 has been released!

2018-03-09 Thread contact . diesel
Thx for the great description and tips. I think I updated everything. Is there 
a way to check if  rc5 is active? 

One other thing:
When my system booted. TOR is connected but I get an gui error message from 
sys-whonix:

System clock check result
Unexpected result by timedatectl
Timedatectl_output_pretty:

Local time and universal time are the same 
RTC time: n/a
Time zone: etc/utc ( utc, +)
NTP enabled: yes
NTP sychronized: no
Rtc in local TZ: no
DST active: N/A

Does someone has the same Issue?



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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes OS 4.0-rc5 has been released!

2018-03-09 Thread Yuraeitha
On Friday, March 9, 2018 at 9:14:43 PM UTC+1, contact...@gmail.com wrote:
> Can me someone explain which commands in which VM i have to use? I used the 
> following ones but i'm not sure if they are right.
> 
> In dom0: sudo qubes-dom0-update --enable=qubes*testing
> 
> In Template Fedora-26: sudo dnf -y update && sudo dnf -y upgrade 
> --enablerepo=qubes-vm-*-current-testing
> 
> In Template Debian-9: apt update && apt dist-upgrade
> 
> What about the --refresh flags. Where i have to put them? 
> 
> Thx

Don't use the --clean flag too often, but currently I'm not sure how --refresh 
works in dom0. If you didn't update within 48 hours previously, then you can 
ignore the use of --clean and --refresh altogether. Debian/Whonix doesn't need 
them. This should work if you updated recently;

sudo qubes-dom0-update --enablerepo=qubes-dom0-current-testing --clean
sudo dnf update --enablerepo=qubes-vm-*-current-testing --refresh

You don't need to use upgrade for fedora, check
https://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?313135-newbie-quot-dnf-update-quot-or-quot-dnf-upgrade-quot

Since I unfortunately don't know how to include repositories in apt commands, I 
can only tell you the bit longer way to do it. For all debian/Whonix VM's, you 
need to edit this file /etc/apt/sources.list.d/qubes-*.list I haven't found a 
way to just add it temporary in the command itself, so if you only need to 
temporarily access the current-testing, then you need to edit the files back 
again afterwards. For debian-9 it should be on the 6th line, the 
'stretch-testing main' repository. I believe whonix is still on jessie, instead 
of stretch. Once you edited the file and removed the # blocking 
'stretch-testing main', just update debian/whonix like you normally would. 
Debian/Whonix should also do the refresh correctly, I believe, so doesn't need 
a flag. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong about that.

After editing the debian/whonix files, run
sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade

Remember to revert back the edited files afterwards if you plan not to use 
current-testing repositories onwards, i.e. if you only want to upgrade to RC-5 
and stop current-testing repository updates after that.

Be careful by using the -y flag, if by some chance the cache or --refresh 
doesn't work, errors appear in the update but it still continues, or something 
along to that, then it may be worth it to keep watch during the update. 
Although maybe I'm just being too careful. 

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes OS 4.0-rc5 has been released!

2018-03-09 Thread contact . diesel
Am Freitag, 9. März 2018 21:14:43 UTC+1 schrieb contact...@gmail.com:
> Can me someone explain which commands in which VM i have to use? I used the 
> following ones but i'm not sure if they are right.
> 
> In dom0: sudo qubes-dom0-update --enable=qubes*testing
> 
> In Template Fedora-26: sudo dnf -y update && sudo dnf -y upgrade 
> --enablerepo=qubes-vm-*-current-testing
> 
> In Template Debian-9: apt update && apt dist-upgrade
> 
> What about the --refresh flags. Where i have to put them? 
> 
> Thx

PS: The Question is for the Upgrade von 4.0 RC4 to RC5!
How can i check if I'm on RC5?

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes OS 4.0-rc5 has been released!

2018-03-09 Thread contact . diesel
Can me someone explain which commands in which VM i have to use? I used the 
following ones but i'm not sure if they are right.

In dom0: sudo qubes-dom0-update --enable=qubes*testing

In Template Fedora-26: sudo dnf -y update && sudo dnf -y upgrade 
--enablerepo=qubes-vm-*-current-testing

In Template Debian-9: apt update && apt dist-upgrade

What about the --refresh flags. Where i have to put them? 

Thx

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes OS 4.0-rc5 has been released!

2018-03-08 Thread Yuraeitha
On Thursday, March 8, 2018 at 9:00:33 AM UTC+1, sevas wrote:
> lol My problem was that I didnt read the date on the paper which was 
> yesterday. I had already downloaded and installed it before I realized that 
> it was out. 
> 
> Despite that the article came up on my phone and this post as well came up 24 
> hours later.

ah yes, you had already installed RC-5. But anyway, if others face the same 
problem then check flags/sync update commands across Qubes :)

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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes OS 4.0-rc5 has been released!

2018-03-08 Thread Yuraeitha
On Wednesday, March 7, 2018 at 9:21:58 PM UTC+1, sevas wrote:
> Whoo hoo! 
> 
> I went to download qvm-dom0-update and it says no new updates available

This is not an official response in anyway, but here's what I'd suggest to do.

Remember if you recently downloaded updates within 48 hours, then the cache on 
fedora systems (which includes dom0 as far as I know, though I'm still a bit 
unsure about dom0 my self, since it's Qubes specific, so while it works, but 
isn't perfect since it isn't light and cleans up more, I use --clean flag in 
dom0). 

Anyway, you need to use the --refresh flag on fedora templates after the enable 
repository, in order to make it sync the cache list with the server within 48 
hours since last update. If you're beyond the 48 hours since the cache was 
made, then you don't need the --refresh flag. Also as far as I know, debian 
does this automatically, so no action is needed beyond enabling the testing 
repository. 

To sum up;
- Always use the same Qubes repositories across Qubes, be it dom0 or templates, 
it's important to keep them in sync.
- Use --refresh for fedora templates and --clean for dom0, if you updated 
within 48 hours or if you mistakenly only updated some VM''s/dom0 and need to 
update them all again. In which case, use the flags to sync.
- Debian/Whonix require no metadata sync as they do this automatically. But 
remember Debian/Whonix also require the dist-upgrade command in addition to 
update command.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes OS 4.0-rc5 has been released!

2018-03-08 Thread sevas
lol My problem was that I didnt read the date on the paper which was yesterday. 
I had already downloaded and installed it before I realized that it was out. 

Despite that the article came up on my phone and this post as well came up 24 
hours later.

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Re: [qubes-users] Re: Qubes OS 4.0-rc5 has been released!

2018-03-07 Thread haaber
> Le mercredi 7 mars 2018 22:21:58 UTC+2, sevas a écrit :
>> Whoo hoo! 
>>
>> I went to download qvm-dom0-update and it says no new updates available
> 
> Same thing for me ...
> 
and   sudo qubes-dom0-update --enablerepo=qubes*testing ?

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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes OS 4.0-rc5 has been released!

2018-03-07 Thread ThierryIT
Le mercredi 7 mars 2018 22:21:58 UTC+2, sevas a écrit :
> Whoo hoo! 
> 
> I went to download qvm-dom0-update and it says no new updates available

Same thing for me ...

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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes OS 4.0-rc5 has been released!

2018-03-07 Thread sevas
Whoo hoo! 

I went to download qvm-dom0-update and it says no new updates available

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[qubes-users] Re: Qubes OS 4.0-rc5 has been released!

2018-03-07 Thread amilton
Thanks for the great news Andrew.
Congratulations to the team.

Em terça-feira, 6 de março de 2018 22:03:05 UTC-3, Andrew David Wong  escreveu:
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> Dear Qubes Community,
> 
> We're pleased to announce the fifth release candidate for Qubes 4.0!
> This release contains bug fixes for the issues discovered in the
> [previous release candidate][4.0-rc4]. A full list of the Qubes 4.0
> issues closed so far is available [here][closed-issues]. Further
> details about this release, including full installation instructions,
> are available in the [Qubes 4.0 release notes][release-notes]. The new
> installation image is available on the [Downloads] page.
> 
> As always, we're immensely grateful to our community of testers for
> taking the time to [discover and report bugs]. Thanks to your efforts,
> we're able to fix these bugs *before* the final release of Qubes 4.0. We
> encourage you to continue diligently testing this fourth release
> candidate so that we can work together to improve Qubes 4.0 before the
> stable release.
> 
> The Qubes 4.0 stable release
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> 
> If the testing of 4.0-rc5 does not reveal any major problems, we hope to
> declare it the stable 4.0 release without any further significant
> changes. In this scenario, any bugs discovered during the testing
> process would be fixed in subsequent updates.
> 
> If, on the other hand, a major issue is discovered, we will continue
> with the standard [release schedule], and Qubes 4.0 stable will be a
> separate, later release.
> 
> Current Qubes 4.0 Users
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> 
> Current users of Qubes 4.0-rc4 can upgrade in-place by downloading the
> latest updates from the testing repositories in both
> [dom0][dom0-testing] and [TemplateVMs][domU-testing].
> 
> 
> [4.0-rc4]: https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2018/01/31/qubes-40-rc4/
> [closed-issues]: 
> https://github.com/QubesOS/qubes-issues/issues?q=is%3Aissue+milestone%3A%22Release+4.0%22+is%3Aclosed
> [release-notes]: https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/releases/4.0/release-notes/
> [Downloads]: https://www.qubes-os.org/downloads/
> [discover and report bugs]: https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/reporting-bugs/
> [release schedule]: 
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/version-scheme/#release-schedule
> [dom0-testing]: 
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/software-update-dom0/#testing-repositories
> [domU-testing]: 
> https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/software-update-vm/#testing-repositories
> 
> This announcement is also available on the Qubes website:
> https://www.qubes-os.org/news/2018/03/06/qubes-40-rc5/
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> Andrew David Wong (Axon)
> Community Manager, Qubes OS
> https://www.qubes-os.org
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