Re: [qubes-users] GPU is deal-breaker

[Matty South]

On Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 4:10:57 AM UTC-5, cdga...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Summary: Deal-breaker probably is down to getting VLC working
> > > properly
> > >
> >
> > did you tried to switch video output?
> > I would start with X11 instead of automatic.
> >
> 
> Not sure what you mean, but have other pressing projects to work on right 
> now. Will look into it further in the future when I have the time available.
> 
> As per above, VLC is a make or break for me - but others (eg: gamers) would 
> benefit from detaching GPU from Dom0 and attaching GPU to their games domain 
> qube, if it meant that OpenGL could then be available to the attached qube

When you have more time to look into this again, looks like this guy was able 
to pass his GPU through to his Windows HVM: 
https://www.reddit.com/r/Qubes/comments/66wk4q/gpu_passthrough/ 

Might be an option for you. You could Skype/VLC in your Windows VM. I use my 
WinVM do to Sharepoint and MS Office stuff and it works pretty well. Good luck!

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Re: [qubes-users] GPU is deal-breaker

[cdgamlin]

> > Summary: Deal-breaker probably is down to getting VLC working
> > properly
> >
>
> did you tried to switch video output?
> I would start with X11 instead of automatic.
>

Not sure what you mean, but have other pressing projects to work on right now. 
Will look into it further in the future when I have the time available.

As per above, VLC is a make or break for me - but others (eg: gamers) would 
benefit from detaching GPU from Dom0 and attaching GPU to their games domain 
qube, if it meant that OpenGL could then be available to the attached qube

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Re: [qubes-users] GPU is deal-breaker

[cdgamlin]

> > Summary: Deal-breaker probably is down to getting VLC working
> > properly
> > 
> 
> did you tried to switch video output?
> I would start with X11 instead of automatic.
> 

Not sure what you mean, but have other pressing projects to work on right now. 
Will look into it further in the future when I have the time available.

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Re: [qubes-users] GPU is deal-breaker

[Zrubi]

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On 08/22/2017 10:18 AM, cdgam...@gmail.com wrote:

> Summary: Deal-breaker probably is down to getting VLC working
> properly
> 

did you tried to switch video output?
I would start with X11 instead of automatic.



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Re: [qubes-users] GPU is deal-breaker

[cdgamlin]

My laptop specs (if it helps): https://support.hp.com/au-en/document/c03146718

My situation: Don't have funds to get a new computer (for hardware compliance 
or multiple GPUs) or mobile phone (for Skype), and can't use an alternative to 
Skype (not my choice and beyond my control).

Screen-shooting rather than screen-sharing for Skype seems reasonable, as Skype 
shouldn't be on Dom0. I think that would solve my issues with Skype (I'd have 
to reinstall Qubes+Skype and check it out)- but I am still stuck with VLC video 
glitching up, even if the audio keeps playing well.

Summary: Deal-breaker probably is down to getting VLC working properly

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Re: [qubes-users] GPU is deal-breaker

[cdgamlin]

My situation: Don't have funds to get a new computer (for hardware compliance) 
or mobile phone (for Skype), and can't use an alternative to Skype (not my 
choice and beyond my control)

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Re: [qubes-users] GPU is deal-breaker

[Sandy Harris]

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 8:54 AM, Matty South  wrote:

> On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 7:14:29 AM UTC-5, Francesco wrote:

>> On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 12:38 AM,   wrote:

>> *** TL;DR: Would the option to attach the GPU to a single qube be feasible? 
>> ***

> I can't really speak to the GPU, but for screen sharing with Skype, that will 
> not be a possibility on Qubes. Dom0 controls the GUI/desktop and you can't 
> install (nor would you ever want to) install an insecure MS product on Dom0.

If you have multiple video devices, can you use one for Dom0 and put
another under direct control of a guest OS?

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Re: [qubes-users] GPU is deal-breaker

[Matty South]

On Monday, August 21, 2017 at 7:14:29 AM UTC-5, Francesco wrote:
> Hello
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 12:38 AM,   wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> 
> 
> *** TL;DR: Would the option to attach the GPU to a single qube be feasible? 
> ***
> 
> 
> 
> Recently tried out Q3.2 and Q4.0-rc1. Pretty happy with most of it, and have 
> some ideas on what might make it better (if those ideas are plausible) - but 
> the GPU seems to be the deal breaker.
> 
> 
> 
> On LinuxMint, I like using VLC video player to watch lectures, using it's 
> option to speed up without altering pitch. On both versions of Q, video on 
> VLC behaved badly (often freezing up). Audio was good, so can only think it 
> is GPU issue
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> This is not normal, probably an issue with your hardware. Look if your 
> computer is on HCL
>  
> 
> I also use Skype a fair bit on LinuxMint, and find the "share screen" mode 
> useful to show stuff. Video on Skype also performed badly on on both versions 
> of Q, and "share screen" wouldn't work at all. Again, I can only think this 
> is GPU
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> For the video it is the same as above, but for Skype and VOIP in general I 
> find it much practical to use it on my cellphone

I can't really speak to the GPU, but for screen sharing with Skype, that will 
not be a possibility on Qubes. Dom0 controls the GUI/desktop and you can't 
install (nor would you ever want to) install an insecure MS product on Dom0. 
For me, I just send screenshots now instead of screen sharing. It's a little 
less convenient, but i'm happy to trade a little convenience for security.

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Re: [qubes-users] GPU is deal-breaker

[Franz]

Hello

On Mon, Aug 21, 2017 at 12:38 AM,  wrote:

> Hi!
>
> *** TL;DR: Would the option to attach the GPU to a single qube be
> feasible? ***
>
> Recently tried out Q3.2 and Q4.0-rc1. Pretty happy with most of it, and
> have some ideas on what might make it better (if those ideas are plausible)
> - but the GPU seems to be the deal breaker.
>
> On LinuxMint, I like using VLC video player to watch lectures, using it's
> option to speed up without altering pitch. On both versions of Q, video on
> VLC behaved badly (often freezing up). Audio was good, so can only think it
> is GPU issue
>
>
This is not normal, probably an issue with your hardware. Look if your
computer is on HCL


> I also use Skype a fair bit on LinuxMint, and find the "share screen" mode
> useful to show stuff. Video on Skype also performed badly on on both
> versions of Q, and "share screen" wouldn't work at all. Again, I can only
> think this is GPU
>
>
For the video it is the same as above, but for Skype and VOIP in general I
find it much practical to use it on my cellphone

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