Re: [qubes-users] Import back VM (3.2) to Qubes 4.0RC3 ?

2018-01-28 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users
On Sun, January 28, 2018 4:42 pm, ThierryIT wrote:
> I have done my restore.
> Do have some bugs, will open a ticket in Github tomorrow.
> But I do have an error when trying to add "devices" for my netVM:
>
>
> Error: Device tab:
> Can't attach pci device to VM in pvh mode ??
>
>
> What is the pvh mode ?

That's one of the new remediations for Spectre/Meltdown. In order to
attach a PCI device, you have to switch your NetVM back to HVM mode. You
can do that in VM Settings GUI or dom0 command with qvm-prefs.

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Re: [qubes-users] Import back VM (3.2) to Qubes 4.0RC3 ?

2018-01-28 Thread ThierryIT
I have done my restore.
Do have some bugs, will open a ticket in Github tomorrow.
But I do have an error when trying to add "devices" for my netVM:

Error: Device tab:
Can't attach pci device to VM in pvh mode ??

What is the pvh mode ?

Thx


Le dimanche 28 janvier 2018 16:14:52 UTC+2, Yuraeitha a écrit :
> On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 2:58:42 PM UTC+1, ThierryIT wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I have installed Qubes 4 without any problem.
> > I have done the dom0 upgrade.
> > I am able to start the system.
> > 
> > But I do not have any "Qubes Manager" ...
> > 
> > Thx
> > 
> > Le dimanche 28 janvier 2018 14:17:54 UTC+2, awokd a écrit :
> > > On Sun, January 28, 2018 7:46 am, ThierryIT wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I am a bit lost with Qubes 4.0 RC3 ...
> > > > Before moving to 4.0, I have done my VM's backup.
> > > > How to restore them to Qubes 4.0 ?
> > > 
> > > Please check out https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/upgrade-to-r4.0/. Let me
> > > know if you have any questions; you might be the first one to try it out.
> 
> - Once fully updated, the Qubes manager should be in GUI Menu --> 
> System-tools ---> Qubes Manager. It might require a current-testing update, 
> since it's meant to be released in RC-4 version, and it doesn't seem finished 
> yet. If you can't see it in System-Tools, then you either need to wait, or 
> find it in current-testing dom0 updates.
> 
> - In addition, you may want to consider to be careful with having to re-name 
> VM's too often. This is because Qubes 4 instead of the typical plain 
> re-naming, will copy the entire VM with the new name, and thereafter delete 
> the old-named VM. I hear there is a good reason for this, but I did not look 
> up the technical reason for it. Either way, plan ahead, try avoid to have to 
> re-name in particular large VM's as it can take a while on slow drives. If 
> you got a fast NVMe drive, then it should be fast, but on a slow HDD or even 
> SDD, larger VM's can take a while. It's essentially like doing qvm-clone as 
> you probably can imagine. 
> 
> - There are still bugs to look out for in Qubes 4 RC-3 updated to this day, 
> although most are starting to be mostly minor. 
> 
> - Read the release news in detail when RC-4 is released, as with Qubes 4 the 
> developers has started advizing us whether we can keep updating between RC-X 
> releases, or whether they recommend we re-install again. Last time between 
> RC-2 and RC-3 it was fine to just keep updating. The same may or may not 
> happen between RC-3 and RC-4/final-version.
> 
> - Qubes Manager is still a bit slow and sluggish. I don't know if it'll 
> improve, but my guesses is it probably will when there is time available to 
> do so. 
> 
> - Be aware of the disk discard/trimming in Qubes 4. In Qubes 3.2. we could do 
> it manually, but it's supposed to work automatic in Qubes 4. Unfortunately it 
> doesn't always work out of the box. You may have to dig into /etc/fdisk, 
> Grub.cfg/EFI.cfg, and so forth, in order to get discard/fstrim working. Also 
> notice that dom0 discard/fstrim is not the same as the template 
> discard/fstrim. If it works in dom0, then it'll automatically adjust shown 
> available space moments after removal, if you for example remove a large 
> package in dom0, like a large template. However if you remove files in a VM 
> that doesn't have working discard/fstrim, then it'll be less noticeable and 
> you might not realize. It's a good idea to pay attention, especially if you 
> got little drive space.

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Re: [qubes-users] Import back VM (3.2) to Qubes 4.0RC3 ?

2018-01-28 Thread Yuraeitha
On Sunday, January 28, 2018 at 2:58:42 PM UTC+1, ThierryIT wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have installed Qubes 4 without any problem.
> I have done the dom0 upgrade.
> I am able to start the system.
> 
> But I do not have any "Qubes Manager" ...
> 
> Thx
> 
> Le dimanche 28 janvier 2018 14:17:54 UTC+2, awokd a écrit :
> > On Sun, January 28, 2018 7:46 am, ThierryIT wrote:
> > >
> > > I am a bit lost with Qubes 4.0 RC3 ...
> > > Before moving to 4.0, I have done my VM's backup.
> > > How to restore them to Qubes 4.0 ?
> > 
> > Please check out https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/upgrade-to-r4.0/. Let me
> > know if you have any questions; you might be the first one to try it out.

- Once fully updated, the Qubes manager should be in GUI Menu --> System-tools 
---> Qubes Manager. It might require a current-testing update, since it's meant 
to be released in RC-4 version, and it doesn't seem finished yet. If you can't 
see it in System-Tools, then you either need to wait, or find it in 
current-testing dom0 updates.

- In addition, you may want to consider to be careful with having to re-name 
VM's too often. This is because Qubes 4 instead of the typical plain re-naming, 
will copy the entire VM with the new name, and thereafter delete the old-named 
VM. I hear there is a good reason for this, but I did not look up the technical 
reason for it. Either way, plan ahead, try avoid to have to re-name in 
particular large VM's as it can take a while on slow drives. If you got a fast 
NVMe drive, then it should be fast, but on a slow HDD or even SDD, larger VM's 
can take a while. It's essentially like doing qvm-clone as you probably can 
imagine. 

- There are still bugs to look out for in Qubes 4 RC-3 updated to this day, 
although most are starting to be mostly minor. 

- Read the release news in detail when RC-4 is released, as with Qubes 4 the 
developers has started advizing us whether we can keep updating between RC-X 
releases, or whether they recommend we re-install again. Last time between RC-2 
and RC-3 it was fine to just keep updating. The same may or may not happen 
between RC-3 and RC-4/final-version.

- Qubes Manager is still a bit slow and sluggish. I don't know if it'll 
improve, but my guesses is it probably will when there is time available to do 
so. 

- Be aware of the disk discard/trimming in Qubes 4. In Qubes 3.2. we could do 
it manually, but it's supposed to work automatic in Qubes 4. Unfortunately it 
doesn't always work out of the box. You may have to dig into /etc/fdisk, 
Grub.cfg/EFI.cfg, and so forth, in order to get discard/fstrim working. Also 
notice that dom0 discard/fstrim is not the same as the template discard/fstrim. 
If it works in dom0, then it'll automatically adjust shown available space 
moments after removal, if you for example remove a large package in dom0, like 
a large template. However if you remove files in a VM that doesn't have working 
discard/fstrim, then it'll be less noticeable and you might not realize. It's a 
good idea to pay attention, especially if you got little drive space. 

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Re: [qubes-users] Import back VM (3.2) to Qubes 4.0RC3 ?

2018-01-28 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users
On Sun, January 28, 2018 1:58 pm, ThierryIT wrote:
> Hi,
>
>
> I have installed Qubes 4 without any problem.
> I have done the dom0 upgrade.
> I am able to start the system.
>
>
> But I do not have any "Qubes Manager" ...

That might be only available in the Testing repository, not in Stable yet.
In dom0, try running:

sudo qubes-dom0-update --enablerepo=qubes-dom0-current-testing

then look for Qubes Manager again. You only have to do this once,
afterwards you can go back to the regular "sudo qubes-dom0-update" for
updates.

If you don't care about having Qubes Manager, you could also run
"qubes-backup-restore" from dom0 to jump directly to the restore
interface.


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Re: [qubes-users] Import back VM (3.2) to Qubes 4.0RC3 ?

2018-01-28 Thread ThierryIT
Hi,

I have installed Qubes 4 without any problem.
I have done the dom0 upgrade.
I am able to start the system.

But I do not have any "Qubes Manager" ...

Thx

Le dimanche 28 janvier 2018 14:17:54 UTC+2, awokd a écrit :
> On Sun, January 28, 2018 7:46 am, ThierryIT wrote:
> >
> > I am a bit lost with Qubes 4.0 RC3 ...
> > Before moving to 4.0, I have done my VM's backup.
> > How to restore them to Qubes 4.0 ?
> 
> Please check out https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/upgrade-to-r4.0/. Let me
> know if you have any questions; you might be the first one to try it out.

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Re: [qubes-users] Import back VM (3.2) to Qubes 4.0RC3 ?

2018-01-28 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users
On Sun, January 28, 2018 7:46 am, ThierryIT wrote:
>
> I am a bit lost with Qubes 4.0 RC3 ...
> Before moving to 4.0, I have done my VM's backup.
> How to restore them to Qubes 4.0 ?

Please check out https://www.qubes-os.org/doc/upgrade-to-r4.0/. Let me
know if you have any questions; you might be the first one to try it out.

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