Re: [qubes-users] Why is dom0 so long behind in versions?

2022-01-19 Thread 'Rune Philosof' via qubes-users
On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 5:49 PM Floyd  wrote:

> On 1/18/22 7:09 AM, 'Rune Philosof' via qubes-users wrote:
>
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 1:24 PM 'awokd' via qubes-users <
> qubes-users@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> 'Rune Philosof' via qubes-users:
>> > Why not use fedora 35 for dom0?
>> > Wouldn't it make it easier to maintain, while also getting better
>> hardware
>> > support?
>> >
>> https://www.qubes-os.org/faq/#why-is-dom0-so-old
>>
>
> Security is the core of Qubes, not convenience or bells and whistles.
> There are, generally speaking, fewer surprises with mature versions.
>
> There was a saying in IT of which I often reminded my employees and
> colleagues - I don't mind being on the bleeding edge, as long as it's not
> the client's blood. Update that to today's reality - I don't mind being on
> the bleeding edge, as long as it's not my blood.
>

Those are good arguments.

However, I am testing out 4.1 and looking a bit into the cause of the bugs
I see (loading the coredumps in gdb).

I find my motivation for using time on getting to the bottom of the errors
dropping because there is a chance that the errors are already fixed in
newer versions.

How hard it would be for me to test it out on newer versions, I wonder.

It would be nice if Qubes was something you could add to an existing
installation.

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Re: [qubes-users] Why is dom0 so long behind in versions?

2022-01-18 Thread unman
On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 02:09:30PM +0100, 'Rune Philosof' via qubes-users wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 1:24 PM 'awokd' via qubes-users <
> qubes-users@googlegroups.com> wrote:
> 
> > 'Rune Philosof' via qubes-users:
> > > Why not use fedora 35 for dom0?
> > > Wouldn't it make it easier to maintain, while also getting better
> > hardware
> > > support?
> > >
> > https://www.qubes-os.org/faq/#why-is-dom0-so-old
> >
> 
> Thanks. But that does not answer any of the questions.
> It only says why it is not necessary to run a newer one.
> 

Every Qubes release goes through a significant testing round - Qubes 4.1
is in the midst of that with (now) rc4, but has already been through an
alpha and beta round.
At that time Fedora 32 was still a recent release.
Every release has to draw a line somewhere - it would not be feasible to
keep updating dom0 as the testing rounds progress. 

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Re: [qubes-users] Why is dom0 so long behind in versions?

2022-01-18 Thread 'Rune Philosof' via qubes-users
On Tue, Jan 18, 2022 at 1:24 PM 'awokd' via qubes-users <
qubes-users@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> 'Rune Philosof' via qubes-users:
> > Why not use fedora 35 for dom0?
> > Wouldn't it make it easier to maintain, while also getting better
> hardware
> > support?
> >
> https://www.qubes-os.org/faq/#why-is-dom0-so-old
>

Thanks. But that does not answer any of the questions.
It only says why it is not necessary to run a newer one.

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Re: [qubes-users] Why is dom0 so long behind in versions?

2022-01-18 Thread 'awokd' via qubes-users

'Rune Philosof' via qubes-users:

Why not use fedora 35 for dom0?
Wouldn't it make it easier to maintain, while also getting better hardware
support?


https://www.qubes-os.org/faq/#why-is-dom0-so-old

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