Re: [qubes-users] Xscreensaver not working when app-menu is open

2016-10-30 Thread Alex
On 10/30/2016 03:48 PM, yaqu wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 03:28:39 -0700 (PDT), "Mike A." 
>  wrote:
> 
>> But if I open the application menu band then close the lid, the 
>> screensaver does not kick in. When I open the lid later, I can
>> start using the machine just where I left it.
>> 
>> I am running Qubes 3.2 with Xfce.
>> 
>> Can anyone else recreate this, or is it just a problem locally
>> here (user error at my end)?
> 
> I have tested it on Lenovo T520 (R3.2, Xfce) and got the same
> behaviour - closing lid has no effect while appmenu is opened. I have
> tested it with various settings in Xfce Power Manager (lock screen,
> suspend, switch off display). When appmenu is closed, closing lid
> works as expected.
> 
> Additionally, locking screen manually (Ctrl-Alt-L) doesn't work too
> while appmenu is opened.
> 
It's a known problem of X (as an architecture); it prevents any
succesful implementation of the concept of lock screens. It does not
only affect Xfce, but all other desktop environments - actually, it
affects all X11 implementations on any platform because screen locking
is a scenario not provided by the architecture. You may check on
https://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2015/01/why-screen-lockers-on-x11-cannot-be-secure/
for an extended explanation of the concept, from the perspective of KDE
developers. One common symptom is the one you described; i.e. opening
any menu prevents screen-savers or screen-lockers from running.

Our only reasonable hope in the relatively-near future is Wayland, whose
architecture does provide for a screen-locking scenario; the adoption in
Qubes may not be straightforward because of the way windows are cloned
from the VMs into dom0. In short, qubes-guid needs to be able to
screengrab every window, which is something Wayland tries to prevent for
privacy and security concerns.

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Re: [qubes-users] Xscreensaver not working when app-menu is open

2016-10-30 Thread yaqu
On Sun, 30 Oct 2016 03:28:39 -0700 (PDT), "Mike A."
 wrote:

> But if I open the application menu band then close the lid, the
> screensaver does not kick in. When I open the lid later, I can start
> using the machine just where I left it.
> 
> I am running Qubes 3.2 with Xfce.
> 
> Can anyone else recreate this, or is it just a problem locally here
> (user error at my end)?

I have tested it on Lenovo T520 (R3.2, Xfce) and got the same behaviour - 
closing lid has no effect while appmenu is opened. I have tested it with 
various settings in Xfce Power Manager (lock screen, suspend, switch off 
display). When appmenu is closed, closing lid works as expected.

Additionally, locking screen manually (Ctrl-Alt-L) doesn't work too while 
appmenu is opened.

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