Re: [ntp:questions] Come back PPS I miss you!

2012-02-10 Thread David J Taylor
I have found > vista abhorrent timekeepers, so I am running this particular guy on server 2003. But looking forward, I will have to one day, so thanks for the tip. It also explains the location of the PPSAPI, doesn't it :) Cheers Mark Mark, Vista and Windows-7 can be tamed, and I am seeing ab

Re: [ntp:questions] Come back PPS I miss you!

2012-02-10 Thread David J Taylor
"Mark C. Stephens" wrote in message news:4bde1132003994498b736b8017d15d10088f4...@exch2010.non-stop.com.au... Ah you mean the time2 -0.4886745895 figure? That's quite interesting how I got that, I averaged the 60 second offset sample over many days :) I am a Crazy man.. Cheers Dave :) If

Re: [ntp:questions] what happens if ntp server jumps time BIG TIME

2012-02-10 Thread Dave Hart
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 01:03, unruh wrote: > On 2012-02-09, bombjack wrote: >> What happens if I change the time on the server, lets say 5 years >> forward? Will the client sync to the server? and If so, how? big leap? >> small steps? Will the flag "-g" affect how the client reacts to this >> ch

[ntp:questions] need help installing gps with ntp on Linux

2012-02-10 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
Hi all, I have recently been posting messages about my experience trying to install a USB GPS and wring out the maximum performance in Windows. Now I need help doing the same thing in Linux. I want to install the GPS using only NTPD if possible, without GPSD, to make my install configuratio

Re: [ntp:questions] what happens if ntp server jumps time BIG TIME

2012-02-10 Thread unruh
On 2012-02-09, bombjack wrote: > Hi, > Scenario: > - I'm in control of a NTP server and can change the time on this > server as I please (this server is "sync'ed to the hw-clock) > - I have a client that is sync'ed with the server above (and only that > server) > > What happens if I change the tim

Re: [ntp:questions] lots of GPS modules and info at SparkFun

2012-02-10 Thread unruh
On 2012-02-09, Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: > On 2/9/2012 4:18 AM, David J Taylor wrote: >>> Hi David, >>> >>> I'm certainly considering that board. It looks very attractive. I'm >>> going to have to read over the documentation page you've put >>> together. It looks very comprehensive. >>> >>> Chr

Re: [ntp:questions] lots of GPS modules and info at SparkFun

2012-02-10 Thread unruh
On 2012-02-09, Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: > On 2/9/2012 1:34 AM, David J Taylor wrote: >>> Hello all, >>> >>> While researching potential GPS modules to experiment with for PPS >>> output, I discovered that SparkFun has quite a lot of modules, some >>> of which have PPS and some of which don't. Y

Re: [ntp:questions] Come back PPS I miss you!

2012-02-10 Thread unruh
On 2012-02-10, Mark C. Stephens wrote: > Hi All, and probably Dave specifically, > > > I have tried everything with my PPS, inverting it in hardware, in software > (flag2 1) I just can't get PPS tally to come on. > > Today, I restarted and noticed: > refclock_params: time_pps_setparams: Unknown e

Re: [ntp:questions] Come back PPS I miss you!

2012-02-10 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Ah you mean the time2 -0.4886745895 figure? That's quite interesting how I got that, I averaged the 60 second offset sample over many days :) I am a Crazy man.. Cheers Dave :) -Original Message- From: David J Taylor [mailto:david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid] Sent: Saturday, 11 Fe

Re: [ntp:questions] Come back PPS I miss you!

2012-02-10 Thread Mark C. Stephens
I have found > vista abhorrent timekeepers, so I am running this particular guy on server 2003. But looking forward, I will have to one day, so thanks for the tip. It also explains the location of the PPSAPI, doesn't it :) Cheers Mark -Original Message- From: David J Taylor [mailto:da

Re: [ntp:questions] Come back PPS I miss you!

2012-02-10 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Looking at the daft timing of this rx, it sends the pps and 400ms later it sends the serial data. We might have scraped in on 350ms? Haha So anyway, nmea driver is happily spitting out GPS_NMEA(1) PPS_RELATE_NONE I'll have a play and maybe replace it with an garmin or something, even if to tes

Re: [ntp:questions] Update NTP on FreeBSD 8.2

2012-02-10 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 2/10/2012 11:18 AM, David J Taylor wrote: "Uwe Klein" wrote in message news:36if09-sj3@klein-habertwedt.de... [] windows runs on just one platform, badly. In your view. It actually runs on at least three platforms today, and likely four tomorrow, and it runs well enough for many users.

Re: [ntp:questions] Update NTP on FreeBSD 8.2

2012-02-10 Thread David J Taylor
David J Taylor wrote: FYI: "bested" is not English. "only Linux runs on more". http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bested http://dictionary.die.net/bested It's still not correct English to use an adjective as a verb, but please s/English/good English/. Windows: runs on ia32 and has been expa

Re: [ntp:questions] Come back PPS I miss you!

2012-02-10 Thread Dave Hart
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 12:46, Mark C. Stephens wrote: > I have tried everything with my PPS, inverting it in hardware, in software > (flag2 1) > I just can't get PPS tally to come on. > > Today, I restarted and noticed: > refclock_params: time_pps_setparams: Unknown error: 45 > > server 127.127.

Re: [ntp:questions] Update NTP on FreeBSD 8.2

2012-02-10 Thread Uwe Klein
David J Taylor wrote: FYI: "bested" is not English. "only Linux runs on more". http://www.thefreedictionary.com/bested http://dictionary.die.net/bested Windows: runs on ia32 and has been expanded to work on the two 64bit derivatives introducing incompatibilities and cludges to no end. The ste

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd wedged again

2012-02-10 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Ron Frazier (NTP) wrote: > From that point of view, I think the only settings > I have access to in the power configuration are: > > Minimum CPU Frequency - 20% > Maximum CPU Frequency - 100% ... Seems like that might be a issue, try setting min & max to the same? -- E-Mail Sent to

Re: [ntp:questions] Update NTP on FreeBSD 8.2

2012-02-10 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2012-02-10, David J Taylor wrote: > FYI: "bested" is not English. "only Linux runs on more". http://dictionary.die.net/bested Source: WordNet (r) 1.7 bested adj : defeated in a competition [syn: outdone] Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary (1913) Bestead \Be*stead"\, v.

Re: [ntp:questions] Update NTP on FreeBSD 8.2

2012-02-10 Thread David J Taylor
"Steve Kostecke" wrote in message news:slrnjjaj1a.ic0.koste...@stasis.kostecke.net... On 2012-02-10, David J Taylor wrote: FYI: "bested" is not English. "only Linux runs on more". http://dictionary.die.net/bested Source: WordNet (r) 1.7 bested adj : defeated in a competition [syn: out

Re: [ntp:questions] Come back PPS I miss you!

2012-02-10 Thread David J Taylor
keys "C:\Program Files\NTP\etc\ntp.key" [] Many thanks, Mark Mark, it's been my practice with Windows Vista and Windows-7 to install NTP outside the \Program Files\ tree, as the user needs to edit files in the \NTP\ tree. I take it that you are aware with functions like directory virtualis

Re: [ntp:questions] Come back PPS I miss you!

2012-02-10 Thread David J Taylor
So.. I am replying to my own posts too.. Started ntpd in debug and seeing a lot of GPS_NMEA(1) PPS_RELATE_NONE From the source: * The function returns PPS_RELATE_NONE (0) if no PPS edge correlation * can be fixed; PPS_RELATE_EDGE (1) when a PPS edge could be fixed, but * the distance to th

Re: [ntp:questions] Update NTP on FreeBSD 8.2

2012-02-10 Thread David J Taylor
FreeBSD port-management tools like portmaster and portupgrade can download and install precompiled packages instead, if you tell them to (see the -P flag). Regards, -- -Chuck Most helpful, Chuck, to this novice. I've added it to my Web page to remind me next time. Thanks, David ___

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-10 Thread David J Taylor
Hello Again, Okay, everyone has said I definitely need to use a custom kernel, and I have now done that, and ntpdc -c kern now reports the following: pll offset: -1.091e-06 s pll frequency:-3.196 ppm maximum error:0.019912 s estimated error: 1e-06 s status:

Re: [ntp:questions] Update NTP on FreeBSD 8.2

2012-02-10 Thread David J Taylor
"Uwe Klein" wrote in message news:36if09-sj3@klein-habertwedt.de... [] windows runs on just one platform, badly. In your view. It actually runs on at least three platforms today, and likely four tomorrow, and it runs well enough for many users. For NTP timekeeping can be at the sub-mi

Re: [ntp:questions] Update NTP on FreeBSD 8.2

2012-02-10 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Feb 9, 2012, at 10:30 PM, David J Taylor wrote: > I must say that I was rather surprised to see Perl being recompiled just for > the earlier NTP update, though. Everything which would take a few seconds on > Windows with Dave Hart's ready-built .EXEs appears to take 15-60 minutes on > FreeBS

Re: [ntp:questions] Come back PPS I miss you!

2012-02-10 Thread Mark C. Stephens
So.. I am replying to my own posts too.. Started ntpd in debug and seeing a lot of GPS_NMEA(1) PPS_RELATE_NONE >From the source: * The function returns PPS_RELATE_NONE (0) if no PPS edge correlation * can be fixed; PPS_RELATE_EDGE (1) when a PPS edge could be fixed, but * the distance to th

Re: [ntp:questions] Second attempt at GPS-18 based NTP server

2012-02-10 Thread Duncan, Paul A.
Hello Again, Okay, everyone has said I definitely need to use a custom kernel, and I have now done that, and ntpdc -c kern now reports the following: pll offset: -1.091e-06 s pll frequency:-3.196 ppm maximum error:0.019912 s estimated error: 1e-06 s status:

Re: [ntp:questions] Update NTP on FreeBSD 8.2

2012-02-10 Thread Uwe Klein
David J Taylor wrote: On 2012-02-09, David J Taylor wrote: I did try a "portmaster ntp" which seems to be building at least a slightly later version on 4.2.6. Try 'portmaster ntp-devel' -- Steve Kostecke Thanks to Kenyon and yourself for that suggestion, Steve. It worked perfectly.

[ntp:questions] Come back PPS I miss you!

2012-02-10 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Hi All, and probably Dave specifically, I have tried everything with my PPS, inverting it in hardware, in software (flag2 1) I just can't get PPS tally to come on. Today, I restarted and noticed: refclock_params: time_pps_setparams: Unknown error: 45 in event log. Here is the usual: Config:

Re: [ntp:questions] what happens if ntp server jumps time BIG TIME

2012-02-10 Thread Rob
bombjack wrote: > Yes, I do realise that this scenario is stupid in many ways. Only one > server, big time changes on the server etc etc, and I do know how to > fix ti, but this is the scenario that I need an answer to. Then setup your server and client and see for yourself what happens!! It wil

Re: [ntp:questions] what happens if ntp server jumps time BIG TIME

2012-02-10 Thread David Woolley
bombjack wrote: ) What happens if I change the time on the server, lets say 5 years forward? Will the client sync to the server? and If so, how? big leap? You should get all access privileges to the server revoked! Although people are saying what the reference implementation of NTP will do,

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd wedged again

2012-02-10 Thread Dave Hart
On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 03:07, A C wrote: > So far so good, it's running with reasonable offsets and jitter (PPS not yet > enabled). > > But this is new to me in the logs: > > 10 Feb 01:41:37 ntpd[242]: ts_min 1328838097.185664676 ts_prev > 1328838097.185550676 ts 1328838097.189745353 > 10 Feb 01: