Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-17 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 3/17/2012 6:00 PM, Terje Mathisen wrote: David J Taylor wrote: "Terje Mathisen" <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> wrote in message news:is9e39-6ve2@ntp6.tmsw.no... [] You should never accept much more than 10:1 speed difference between down and up. Terje "Should" - I agree. But in the UK

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-17 Thread Terje Mathisen
David J Taylor wrote: "Terje Mathisen" <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> wrote in message news:is9e39-6ve2@ntp6.tmsw.no... [] You should never accept much more than 10:1 speed difference between down and up. Terje "Should" - I agree. But in the UK from Virgin Media I have 30 Mb/s down, 1 Mb/s

Re: [ntp:questions] Fwd: Long term SiRF data / NMEA Wandering

2012-03-17 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
Cross posting to the thumbgps-devel list. Ron On 3/17/2012 3:45 PM, Charles Elliott wrote: I program the BU-353 with regular C++. I have a copy of the "SiRF NMEA Reference Manual" (P/N: 1050-0042, Rev 2.2, 11/08) that I received from SiRF Technology, Inc. 217 Devcon Drive San Jose, CA 95112

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-17 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 3/17/2012 3:20 PM, David J Taylor wrote: "Ron Frazier (NTP)" wrote in message news:4f64d793.9010...@c3energy.com... [] Hi David, I'm not sure what will happen if you simultaneously prefer and noselect the local server. Assuming the local stratum 1 server is the most stable time source,

Re: [ntp:questions] Fwd: Long term SiRF data / NMEA Wandering

2012-03-17 Thread Charles Elliott
I program the BU-353 with regular C++. I have a copy of the "SiRF NMEA Reference Manual" (P/N: 1050-0042, Rev 2.2, 11/08) that I received from SiRF Technology, Inc. 217 Devcon Drive San Jose, CA 95112 PH: +1(408) 467-0410 supp...@sirf.com. It contains descriptions of all the NMEA messages SiRF

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-17 Thread David J Taylor
"Ron Frazier (NTP)" wrote in message news:4f64d793.9010...@c3energy.com... [] Hi David, I'm not sure what will happen if you simultaneously prefer and noselect the local server. Assuming the local stratum 1 server is the most stable time source, you'll get a much better picture of what the

[ntp:questions] Fwd: Long term SiRF data / NMEA Wandering

2012-03-17 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
Hi all, This is a cross post from the [Thumbgps-devel] list. It relates to some testing on some SIRF GPS's the original poster is doing (at the bottom). The part on top is my reply to him. I thought those here might like to see it, considering recent GPS related discussions we've been havin

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-17 Thread Ron Frazier (NTP)
On 3/17/2012 11:48 AM, David J Taylor wrote: You'd get less jitter with DSL. -- John Hasler John, You have piqued my interest. I have just set up a Windows-8 PC with an ntp configuration not dissimilar to Ron's, in that it's using purely Internet servers but trying to monitor a local stratu

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-17 Thread Charles Elliott
I did not express myself well. Permit me to explain. 1. The variable delays are caused by buffering at the Internet routers. See CACM Staff. (2012). BufferBloat: what's wrong with the internet? Commun. ACM, 55(2), 40-47. doi: 10.1145/2076450.2076464. "A discussion with Vint Cerf, Van Jacobson

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-17 Thread David J Taylor
You'd get less jitter with DSL. -- John Hasler John, You have piqued my interest. I have just set up a Windows-8 PC with an ntp configuration not dissimilar to Ron's, in that it's using purely Internet servers but trying to monitor a local stratum-1 server as well. In essence: ___

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-17 Thread David J Taylor
"John Hasler" wrote in message news:87sjh7mlqs@thumper.dhh.gt.org... David J Taylor writes: But in the UK from Virgin Media I have 30 Mb/s down, 1 Mb/s up. I have been promised an upload speed increase about 18 months ago to 2 Mb/s up, which is more sensible... Such a very high cable dow

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-17 Thread John Hasler
David J Taylor writes: > But in the UK from Virgin Media I have 30 Mb/s down, 1 Mb/s up. I > have been promised an upload speed increase about 18 months ago to 2 > Mb/s up, which is more sensible... Such a very high cable download speed is a peak burst speeds on a shared medium. Your sustained p

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-17 Thread David J Taylor
"Terje Mathisen" <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> wrote in message news:is9e39-6ve2@ntp6.tmsw.no... [] You should never accept much more than 10:1 speed difference between down and up. Terje "Should" - I agree. But in the UK from Virgin Media I have 30 Mb/s down, 1 Mb/s up. I have been p

Re: [ntp:questions] ARRGH!!! I woke up to a 50 SECOND clock error.

2012-03-17 Thread Terje Mathisen
unruh wrote: Would it be worth it to recruit an electrical or systems engineer who claimed to know something about filtering data to take a serious look at NTPD's data filtering approach? There has to be some reason that there is a David Mills claims to know about filtering data. Not that I al