[ntp:questions] Does NTP cause an abrupt/sudden change in an orphan's system time?

2012-08-08 Thread Arpith Nayak
I have a server that is in the orphan mode i.e. it was not connected to the internet (and thus the various public NTP servers) when I booted it up. Now if I install ntpd oin this server and run it, will the first instance of ntpd cause a sudden change in the system time as well as timestamps or

Re: [ntp:questions] Does NTP cause an abrupt/sudden change in an orphan's system time?

2012-08-08 Thread Harlan Stenn
Arpith Nayak writes: I have a server that is in the orphan mode i.e. it was not connected to the internet (and thus the various public NTP servers) when I booted it up. Now if I install ntpd oin this server and run it, will the first instance of ntpd cause a sudden change in the system time as

Re: [ntp:questions] Does NTP cause an abrupt/sudden change in an orphan's system time?

2012-08-08 Thread Arpith Nayak
What is the corresponding property I need to add in the .conf file to cause a gradual sync of time with the public NTP server and not a sudden step? Regards, Arpith On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: Arpith Nayak writes: I have a server that is in the orphan

Re: [ntp:questions] Does NTP cause an abrupt/sudden change in an orphan's system time?

2012-08-08 Thread Dave Hart
On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 11:07 UTC, Arpith Nayak wrote: What is the corresponding property I need to add in the .conf file to cause a gradual sync of time with the public NTP server and not a sudden step? http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/miscopt.html#tinker See the tinker step option

Re: [ntp:questions] Does NTP cause an abrupt/sudden change in an orphan's system time?

2012-08-08 Thread Harlan Stenn
Arpith Nayak writes: What is the corresponding property I need to add in the .conf file to cause a gradual sync of time with the public NTP server and not a sudden step? I'm going to take the easy way out because it's 0415 here and I need to fall asleep... I'd recommend you look at the

Re: [ntp:questions] Does NTP cause an abrupt/sudden change in an orphan's system time?

2012-08-08 Thread David Taylor
On 08/08/2012 12:20, Harlan Stenn wrote: [] Check out the Sure Electronics GPS board, which can be easily modified to provide a PPS signal. There are other inexpensive GPS units as well. H If it helps, my notes on using the Sure Electronics board are here:

Re: [ntp:questions] Does NTP cause an abrupt/sudden change in an orphan's system time?

2012-08-08 Thread Rob
Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: If this situation is difficult for you I'd recommend you get an inexpensive GPS receiver and use that to sync your master machine(s). Check out the Sure Electronics GPS board, which can be easily modified to provide a PPS signal. There are other inexpensive

Re: [ntp:questions] Does NTP cause an abrupt/sudden change in an orphan's system time?

2012-08-08 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2012-08-08, Arpith Nayak arpithna...@gmail.com wrote: I have a server that is in the orphan mode i.e. it was not connected to the internet (and thus the various public NTP servers) when I booted it up. Now if I install ntpd oin this server and run it, will the first instance of ntpd cause

Re: [ntp:questions] Does NTP cause an abrupt/sudden change in an orphan's system time?

2012-08-08 Thread unruh
On 2012-08-08, Arpith Nayak arpithna...@gmail.com wrote: I have a server that is in the orphan mode i.e. it was not connected to the internet (and thus the various public NTP servers) when I booted it up. Now if I install ntpd oin this server and run it, will the first instance of ntpd cause a

Re: [ntp:questions] Does NTP cause an abrupt/sudden change in an orphan's system time?

2012-08-08 Thread unruh
On 2012-08-08, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: If this situation is difficult for you I'd recommend you get an inexpensive GPS receiver and use that to sync your master machine(s). Check out the Sure Electronics GPS board, which can be easily modified to

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Re: [ntp:questions] Does NTP cause an abrupt/sudden change in an orphan's system time?

2012-08-08 Thread Harlan Stenn
Rob writes: Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: If this situation is difficult for you I'd recommend you get an inexpensive GPS receiver and use that to sync your master machine(s). Check out the Sure Electronics GPS board, which can be easily modified to provide a PPS signal. There are

Re: [ntp:questions] Does NTP cause an abrupt/sudden change in an orphan's system time?

2012-08-08 Thread Harlan Stenn
unruh writes: On 2012-08-08, Arpith Nayak arpithna...@gmail.com wrote: I have a server that is in the orphan mode i.e. it was not connected to the internet (and thus the various public NTP servers) when I booted it up. Now if I install ntpd oin this server and run it, will the first

[ntp:questions] Acutime Gold GPS

2012-08-08 Thread Miguel Barbosa Gonçalves
Hi! Has anyone here configured the Acutime Gold GPS from Trimble (http://www.trimble.com/timing/acutime-gold-gps-antenna.aspx) with NTP? After converting RS-422 to RS-232 what do I need to with on the NTP side? Many thanks! Cheers, Miguel ___

Re: [ntp:questions] Does NTP cause an abrupt/sudden change in an orphan's system time?

2012-08-08 Thread David Woolley
Steve Kostecke wrote: What will happen when ntpd is started has been discussed elsewhere in this thread. If you want to clear a very large error by a pure slew, the best way is not to start ntpd until you have cleared the error, but, instead, to use whatever utility your OS uses to access

Re: [ntp:questions] Does NTP cause an abrupt/sudden change in an orphan's system time?

2012-08-08 Thread David Woolley
Harlan Stenn wrote: If you override this in the ntp.conf file (or via a startup option) it will slew the time gradually, but realize it may take a *very* long time to get the clock right. This type of change is applied at 500ppm, so a change of 1 second will be applied over 2000 seconds.

[ntp:questions] is USB inherently evil, or only if something else is on the bus?

2012-08-08 Thread Rick Jones
I've scrounged a couple old Pentium M laptops (Hewlett-Packard nc6000s for the trivia-minded) with serial ports while entertaining the possibility of undertaking a project to do what so many others have done - connect-up a GPS receiver with PPS support. That has me wondering about some of the

Re: [ntp:questions] Acutime Gold GPS

2012-08-08 Thread Miguel Barbosa Gonçalves
Done! $ ntpq -pn tick; ntpq -pn tock remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter == o127.127.20.0.GPS.0 l7 16 3770.000 -0.011 0.004 +10.0.2.9.GPS.

Re: [ntp:questions] is USB inherently evil, or only if something else is on the bus?

2012-08-08 Thread Chuck Swiger
On Aug 8, 2012, at 2:34 PM, Rick Jones wrote: Is that unsuitability inherent in USB, so it matters not whether there is anything else on the USB, or is it more a case of being bad generally only when other things are on the same USB? I'm still looking to go serial, but was wondering. The

Re: [ntp:questions] is USB inherently evil, or only if something else is on the bus?

2012-08-08 Thread Rick Jones
Thanks on both. rick -- The glass is neither half-empty nor half-full. The glass has a leak. The real question is Can it be patched? these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :) feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH...

Re: [ntp:questions] is USB inherently evil, or only if something else is on the bus?

2012-08-08 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Rick Jones wrote: wondering about some of the previous discussion about USB and how it is perhaps not evil but considered quite sub-par for serving-up the PPS signal. Is that unsuitability inherent in USB, so it matters not whether there is anything else on the USB, or is it more a case

Re: [ntp:questions] Does NTP cause an abrupt/sudden change in an orphan's system time?

2012-08-08 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 8/8/2012 6:56 AM, Arpith Nayak wrote: I have a server that is in the orphan mode i.e. it was not connected to the internet (and thus the various public NTP servers) when I booted it up. Now if I install ntpd oin this server and run it, will the first instance of ntpd cause a sudden change in

Re: [ntp:questions] is USB inherently evil, or only if something else is on the bus?

2012-08-08 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2012-08-08, Rick Jones rick.jon...@hp.com wrote: I've scrounged a couple old Pentium M laptops (Hewlett-Packard nc6000s for the trivia-minded) with serial ports while entertaining the possibility of undertaking a project to do what so many others have done - connect-up a GPS receiver with

Re: [ntp:questions] is USB inherently evil, or only if something else is on the bus?

2012-08-08 Thread Rick Jones
E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists Null@blacklist.anitech-systems.invalid wrote: server ntp-cup.external.hp.com iburst prefer # Corp Cupertino CA (SF # Bay area) I'm pretty sure that system is down and has been for quite

Re: [ntp:questions] Does NTP cause an abrupt/sudden change in an orphan's system time?

2012-08-08 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2012-08-08, David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote: Steve Kostecke wrote: What will happen when ntpd is started has been discussed elsewhere in this thread. If you want to clear a very large error by a pure slew, the best way is not to start ntpd until you have cleared the

Re: [ntp:questions] is USB inherently evil, or only if something else is on the bus?

2012-08-08 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2012-08-08, Chuck Swiger cswi...@mac.com wrote: Folks probably never should use the LOCAL clock with a recent ntpd. The Undisciplined Local Clock (aka LOCAL) should never be used unless an ntpd must be able to serve time to others in the absence of real time sources. By definition, if

Re: [ntp:questions] is USB inherently evil, or only if something else is on the bus?

2012-08-08 Thread Chris Albertson
USB is always worse than a PPS directly attached to a serial port. there is far less (orders of magnitude less) uncertainty in the interrupt latency for USB Local is not a good idea. Something called Orphan Mode is developed to handle the problem if s disconnected network. If there were a FAQ