Re: [ntp:questions] NIST vs. pool.ntp.org ?

2013-03-28 Thread Marco Marongiu
Il 03/27/2013 10:24 PM, unruh ha scritto: You do NOT want to hard code anything into your program. That is extremely bad form, unless that address is one controlled by you. Indeed. Robert, please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTP_server_misuse_and_abuse and in particular:

Re: [ntp:questions] NIST vs. pool.ntp.org ?

2013-03-28 Thread Rob
Robert Scott no-one@notreal.invalid wrote: To achieve 11 ppm accuracy in frequency I need to have a calibration time interval that is about 90,000 times as long as the timestamp uncertainty. If the timestamp uncertainty is, say, 100 msec., the calibration time period needs to be at least 2.5

Re: [ntp:questions] NIST vs. pool.ntp.org ?

2013-03-28 Thread Magnus Danielson
On 03/27/2013 10:45 PM, David Woolley wrote: Robert Scott wrote: I am confused about the proper usage of pool.ntp.org and NIST. pool.ntp.org seems to be a collection of private sector time servers offered for all to use, but with registration expected for regular The pool system has no

Re: [ntp:questions] NIST vs. pool.ntp.org ?

2013-03-28 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi again Robert, On 03/28/2013 04:22 AM, Robert Scott wrote: On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 02:50:17 GMT, unruhun...@invalid.ca wrote: You really should read my posts before responding. No, I do not intend to hard-code NIST or any other server. I never said I wanted to. No, the app is not intended for

Re: [ntp:questions] NIST vs. pool.ntp.org ?

2013-03-28 Thread Robert Scott
On 28 Mar 2013 09:57:37 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: To achieve an uncertainty below 100ms over connections like that you will need to do some clever programming where you get multiple time stamps, measure the roundtriptime on each of them, and discard outliers before you calculate an

Re: [ntp:questions] NIST vs. pool.ntp.org ?

2013-03-28 Thread Rob
Robert Scott no-one@notreal.invalid wrote: On 28 Mar 2013 09:57:37 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: To achieve an uncertainty below 100ms over connections like that you will need to do some clever programming where you get multiple time stamps, measure the roundtriptime on each of them, and

Re: [ntp:questions] NIST vs. pool.ntp.org ?

2013-03-28 Thread Robert Scott
On 28 Mar 2013 13:37:50 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Maybe for your application it would be wise to check the roundtriptime only to see if it has already fallen from some initial high value, but not to use it in the calculation of real time (i.e. don't take a midpoint between request and

Re: [ntp:questions] NIST vs. pool.ntp.org ?

2013-03-28 Thread Trevor Woerner
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 5:57 AM, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: so you will need to write an adaptive algorithm that recognizes what is happening here, and send the queries quickly enough (I would say at least two per second, maybe 4) to force the active user algorithm to kick in. If he sends

Re: [ntp:questions] NIST vs. pool.ntp.org ?

2013-03-28 Thread Rob
Trevor Woerner twoer...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 5:57 AM, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: so you will need to write an adaptive algorithm that recognizes what is happening here, and send the queries quickly enough (I would say at least two per second, maybe 4) to force the

Re: [ntp:questions] NIST vs. pool.ntp.org ?

2013-03-28 Thread steven Sommars
A report on UTC(NIST) - UTC(USNO) can be found at http://tf.boulder.nist.gov/general/pdf/2663.pdf On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 7:22 AM, Magnus Danielson mag...@rubidium.dyndns.org wrote: On 03/27/2013 10:45 PM, David Woolley wrote: Robert Scott wrote: I am confused about the proper usage of

Re: [ntp:questions] NIST vs. pool.ntp.org ?

2013-03-28 Thread Harlan Stenn
On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 5:57 AM, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: so you will need to write an adaptive algorithm that recognizes what is happening here, and send the queries quickly enough (I would say at least two per second, maybe 4) to force the active user algorithm to kick in. Sending at a

Re: [ntp:questions] NIST vs. pool.ntp.org ?

2013-03-28 Thread Robert Scott
On Thu, 28 Mar 2013 21:21:55 GMT, Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 5:57 AM, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: so you will need to write an adaptive algorithm that recognizes what is happening here, and send the queries quickly enough (I would say at least two per second,

Re: [ntp:questions] NIST vs. pool.ntp.org ?

2013-03-28 Thread David Woolley
Robert Scott wrote: If I could use a packaged implementation of NTP I would. But I don't have that option. If I understand correctly, packaged implementations of NTP are designed specifically for setting the system time. I The interface to the OS clock is fairly well abstracted for

Re: [ntp:questions] NIST vs. pool.ntp.org ?

2013-03-28 Thread unruh
On 2013-03-28, Robert Scott no-one@notreal.invalid wrote: On 28 Mar 2013 09:57:37 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: To achieve an uncertainty below 100ms over connections like that you will need to do some clever programming where you get multiple time stamps, measure the roundtriptime on each