Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-14 Thread David Taylor
On 13/08/2013 23:03, Charles Swiger wrote: Hi-- [] I wonder how many of the Windows users do anything with ntpd which needs crypto? ntpd by itself (ie, ./configure --without-crypto) has a fairly clean security history compared to something like OpenSSL's ASN.1 parser:

Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

2013-08-14 Thread David Taylor
On 13/08/2013 22:41, Harlan Stenn wrote: David Taylor writes: On 13/08/2013 21:23, Danny Mayer wrote: [] All binaries need to be built together with the same versions. You should not be mixing binaries. Danny Thanks, Danny. Perhaps,ideally, but in that case, why are the SSL sources not in

Re: [ntp:questions] Start of new GPS 1024 week epoch

2013-08-14 Thread Terje Mathisen
David Malone wrote: It seems my ancient GPSclock 200 has recently slipped back to December 1993 too. Resetting it hasn't helped and I doubt I will be able to do a firmware update, so I've made a hack to refclock_nmea.c (version ntp-4.2.6p5), by replacing: reftime.l_ui +=

Re: [ntp:questions] Start of new GPS 1024 week epoch

2013-08-14 Thread David Malone
Terje Mathisen terje.mathisen at tmsw.no writes: Nice! You've replaced the 1024-week epoch with a +/- 512-week window around the current time. :-) Indeed - ntp already sort of has to do a similar, because the timestamps are mod 2^32 seconds from 1900, so using a trick like this is only

Re: [ntp:questions] Start of new GPS 1024 week epoch

2013-08-14 Thread unruh
On 2013-08-14, Mark C. Stephens ma...@non-stop.com.au wrote: Good on you David and welcome back to 2013. I do hope that some official changes are made to refclock_nmea to catch this receiver bug and process it accordingly. There are a lot of folks stranded in 1993. --marki -Original

Re: [ntp:questions] Start of new GPS 1024 week epoch

2013-08-14 Thread Mark C. Stephens
Um Let's see, Datum was bought by Austron, who was bought by ... etc. For collectors such as myself, having this 'mature' equipment still working is great. Looking at Mr Malone's code, he added 2 lines which enabled NTPD compatibility with GPS receivers that would have long ago have been sent

[ntp:questions] Order of servers in ntp.conf

2013-08-14 Thread Nils Brubaker
For ntpd 4.2.4p6 running on Linux, is there any significance to the order of servers in the ntp.conf file? Will ntpd synchronize with the first available/good time server in the list? Thanks, Nils Brubaker ___ questions mailing list

Re: [ntp:questions] Order of servers in ntp.conf

2013-08-14 Thread unruh
On 2013-08-13, Nils Brubaker n...@us.ibm.com wrote: For ntpd 4.2.4p6 running on Linux, is there any significance to the order of servers in the ntp.conf file? Will ntpd synchronize with the first available/good time server in the list? No, no. ntp gets the data from all the servers. It then

Re: [ntp:questions] Start of new GPS 1024 week epoch

2013-08-14 Thread Rob
Mark C. Stephens ma...@non-stop.com.au wrote: Um Let's see, Datum was bought by Austron, who was bought by ... etc. For collectors such as myself, having this 'mature' equipment still working is great. Looking at Mr Malone's code, he added 2 lines which enabled NTPD compatibility with GPS

Re: [ntp:questions] Order of servers in ntp.conf

2013-08-14 Thread Nils Brubaker
Thank you, un...@invalid.ca, for your response to my question. Couple follow-up questions. My ntp.conf running on Linux has 4 servers defined: server 0.rhel.pool.ntp.org server 1.rhel.pool.ntp.org server 2.rhel.pool.ntp.org These are public servers from the NTP pool project. In my

Re: [ntp:questions] Order of servers in ntp.conf

2013-08-14 Thread David Taylor
On 13/08/2013 20:52, Nils Brubaker wrote: For ntpd 4.2.4p6 running on Linux, is there any significance to the order of servers in the ntp.conf file? Will ntpd synchronize with the first available/good time server in the list? Thanks, Nils Brubaker The order you list likely determines the

Re: [ntp:questions] Order of servers in ntp.conf

2013-08-14 Thread Brian Utterback
I don't understand how you get the idea that your system is synchronizing with only one server when the messages you posted show it synchronizing with 6 servers. Do you mean that it is synchronizing with one server at a time? That is what it is supposed to do. There is a combining step in the

Re: [ntp:questions] Start of new GPS 1024 week epoch

2013-08-14 Thread David Taylor
On 14/08/2013 12:54, unruh wrote: [] Except of course if the rd_timestamp.l_i is way out (that is why one would want to use a gps clock to fix it-- eg on bootup with the Raspberry Pi say), [] Could you not use something like the timestamp of some file (e.g. the drift file) or other system

Re: [ntp:questions] Start of new GPS 1024 week epoch

2013-08-14 Thread David Malone
David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid writes: Could you not use something like the timestamp of some file (e.g. the drift file) or other system file to get the approximate year? I haven't studied the code (I find C not easy to read or navigate) so perhaps it already does this.

Re: [ntp:questions] Start of new GPS 1024 week epoch

2013-08-14 Thread David Taylor
On 14/08/2013 17:14, David Malone wrote: [] Possibly - this was a handy timestamp to use, but there may be a better choice. It's also possible that this should be an optional flag to the driver, so that people with perfectly good GPS units won't ever trip over the code ;-) David. Yes,

Re: [ntp:questions] Start of new GPS 1024 week epoch

2013-08-14 Thread Rob
David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 14/08/2013 17:14, David Malone wrote: [] Possibly - this was a handy timestamp to use, but there may be a better choice. It's also possible that this should be an optional flag to the driver, so that people with perfectly good GPS

Re: [ntp:questions] Order of servers in ntp.conf

2013-08-14 Thread unruh
On 2013-08-14, Nils Brubaker n...@us.ibm.com wrote: Thank you, un...@invalid.ca, for your response to my question. Couple follow-up questions. My ntp.conf running on Linux has 4 servers defined: server 0.rhel.pool.ntp.org server 1.rhel.pool.ntp.org server 2.rhel.pool.ntp.org These are

Re: [ntp:questions] Start of new GPS 1024 week epoch

2013-08-14 Thread unruh
On 2013-08-14, David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 14/08/2013 12:54, unruh wrote: [] Except of course if the rd_timestamp.l_i is way out (that is why one would want to use a gps clock to fix it-- eg on bootup with the Raspberry Pi say), [] Could you not use

Re: [ntp:questions] Start of new GPS 1024 week epoch

2013-08-14 Thread Rob
David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 14/08/2013 12:54, unruh wrote: [] Except of course if the rd_timestamp.l_i is way out (that is why one would want to use a gps clock to fix it-- eg on bootup with the Raspberry Pi say), [] Could you not use something like the

Re: [ntp:questions] Start of new GPS 1024 week epoch

2013-08-14 Thread Harlan Stenn
David Malone writes: Indeed - you need to have a timestamp within about ten years of correct before you start up, otherwise the problem will be worse. Ntp has the same problem in figuring out the ntp epoch, though we've yet to see an ntp timestamp wrap around. ntp-dev has a fix for this

Re: [ntp:questions] Order of servers in ntp.conf

2013-08-14 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2013-08-14, unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2013-08-14, Nils Brubaker n...@us.ibm.com wrote: Aug 8 15:01:00 yellowstone ntpd[3254]: synchronized to 50.116.55.161, stratum 2 Aug 8 16:09:20 yellowstone ntpd[3254]: synchronized to 38.101.77.21, stratum 2 These log messages suggest

Re: [ntp:questions] Failure modes on Windows Server 2008 R2 64-bit

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Charles Swiger wrote: I wonder how many of the Windows users do anything with ntpd which needs crypto? (Shrug) http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/manyopt.html#mcst I use ntpd with MD5 symmetric keys for manycast on all clients / servers. ... keys /etc/ntp.keys # e.g. contains: 123

Re: [ntp:questions] Start of new GPS 1024 week epoch

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Harlan Stenn wrote: ntp-dev has a fix for this problem - while the original solution was make sure the clock is correct to within ~65 years' time the new code uses a date of compile value, and needs the system time to be either 10 years' before that date or up to 128 years' after that

Re: [ntp:questions] Acutime Gold

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Mark C. Stephens wrote: remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter === oPPS(0) .PPS. 0 l- 16 377 0.000 -0.001 0.004 *GPS_PALISADE(0) .GPS. 0 l 16 16 377 0.000 0.018

Re: [ntp:questions] Start of new GPS 1024 week epoch

2013-08-14 Thread Magnus Danielson
Hi, On 08/14/2013 03:54 PM, unruh wrote: On 2013-08-14, Mark C. Stephens ma...@non-stop.com.au wrote: Um Let's see, Datum was bought by Austron, who was bought by ... etc. For collectors such as myself, having this 'mature' equipment still working is great. Looking at Mr Malone's code, he