Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Roger
On Sat, 21 Feb 2015 18:44:54 + (UTC), William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: Why should it not continue to poll it? It should be pruned as a bad ticker by the ntpd algorihm, and thus not affect the clock discipline. But that offset might be just a temporary abberation and that source come back

Re: [ntp:questions] Type 28 driver (gpsd, SHM) - understanding flag1

2015-02-21 Thread Mike Cook
Le 21 févr. 2015 à 08:37, David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid a écrit : Folks, I'm looking at: http://www.eecis.udel.edu/~mills/ntp/html/drivers/driver28.html and wanting to be sure that I understand flag1 correctly. The situation is starting a computer which

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-21 Thread David Lord
David Taylor wrote: On 21/02/2015 07:04, William Unruh wrote: [] orphan mode is about a group of computers. Orphan Mode allows a group of ntpd processes to automonously select a leader in the event that all real time sources become unreachable (i.e. are inaccessible). chrony's is that you can

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Roger
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 19:19:43 +, Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: Terje made the suggestion about too few servers. DNS returns 4 IP addresses at a time. By having four lines ntpd could have 12 different IP addresses returned if it used all four lines. Roger, repeat after me: 4 times 4

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Roger
On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 23:56:46 GMT, Brian Inglis brian.ing...@systematicsw.ab.ca wrote: Add iburst preempt to the ends of your pool server lines to improve startup and drop poorer sources. I'm only making one change at a time. That will come later. Using one pool line ntpd slowly increases the

Re: [ntp:questions] Type 28 driver (gpsd, SHM) - understanding flag1

2015-02-21 Thread David Taylor
On 21/02/2015 08:33, Mike Cook wrote: [] My aged understanding concurs with yours. Set flag 1. Maybe not your desired behavior, but possibly that of the designer. [] Thanks, Mike. We are carrying out some tests, but it means leaving the computer down for at least several hours, and

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Roger
On 21 Feb 2015 07:54:50 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: It looks like you have created your own problem. What problem are you talking about? -- Roger ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org http://lists.ntp.org/listinfo/questions

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Roger
On 21 Feb 2015 10:52:40 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On 21 Feb 2015 07:54:50 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: It looks like you have created your own problem. What problem are you talking about? Your problem to get enough good servers. When did I

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Terje Mathisen
Roger wrote: On 21 Feb 2015 10:52:40 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On 21 Feb 2015 07:54:50 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: It looks like you have created your own problem. What problem are you talking about? Your problem to get enough good

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Harlan Stenn
Roger writes: Using one pool line ntpd slowly increases the number of servers until it is happy but hasn't dropped any, not even an obviously rogue one. As DNS only returns 4 IP addresses that is the maximum it can start with and why it has to build up its numbers. Yes, that is because

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Mike Cook
Le 21 févr. 2015 à 10:00, Roger invalid@invalid.invalid a écrit : On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 19:19:43 +, Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: Terje made the suggestion about too few servers. DNS returns 4 IP addresses at a time. By having four lines ntpd could have 12 different IP

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-21 Thread Rob
William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2015-02-19, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Miroslav Lichvar mlich...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:48:46PM +, Rob wrote: I am still finding out what sensor is best to use, we do have a room temperature sensor that has .1C resolution

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-21 Thread Harlan Stenn
David Taylor writes: On 21/02/2015 07:04, William Unruh wrote: [] orphan mode is about a group of computers. Orphan Mode allows a group of ntpd processes to automonously select a leader in the event that all real time sources become unreachable (i.e. are inaccessible). chrony's is that

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Rob
Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On 20 Feb 2015 19:29:44 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Why not just: pool pool.ntp.org That should be enough. I did have just one line pool uk.pool.ntp.org but the rogue Did I write pool uk.pool.ntp.org? I don't think so... No, you didn't. Did I

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-21 Thread Rob
William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2015-02-19, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Miroslav Lichvar mlich...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:05:45AM +, Rob wrote: We have systems in places that are not temperature controlled and then chrony is much better. I am looking for

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Rob
Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On 21 Feb 2015 07:54:50 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: It looks like you have created your own problem. What problem are you talking about? Your problem to get enough good servers. ___ questions mailing list

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-21 Thread Brian Inglis
On 2015-02-21 01:00, Rob wrote: William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2015-02-19, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Miroslav Lichvar mlich...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:05:45AM +, Rob wrote: We have systems in places that are not temperature controlled and then chrony is

Re: [ntp:questions] Type 28 driver (gpsd, SHM) - understanding flag1

2015-02-21 Thread Harlan Stenn
David Taylor writes: Thanks, Mike. We are carrying out some tests, but it means leaving the computer down for at least several hours, and we've been trying about 24 hours down so far, so progress isn't rapid! If flag1 allows off-the-network operation after several days outage, that will

Re: [ntp:questions] Pool server gone wild

2015-02-21 Thread Rob
Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On 21 Feb 2015 10:52:40 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Roger invalid@invalid.invalid wrote: On 21 Feb 2015 07:54:50 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: It looks like you have created your own problem. What problem are you talking about? Your problem

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-21 Thread William Unruh
On 2015-02-21, David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 21/02/2015 07:04, William Unruh wrote: [] orphan mode is about a group of computers. Orphan Mode allows a group of ntpd processes to automonously select a leader in the event that all real time sources become

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-21 Thread Rob
Brian Inglis brian.ing...@systematicsw.ab.ca wrote: On 2015-02-21 01:00, Rob wrote: William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2015-02-19, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Miroslav Lichvar mlich...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:05:45AM +, Rob wrote: We have systems in places

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-21 Thread William Unruh
On 2015-02-21, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2015-02-19, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Miroslav Lichvar mlich...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 10:05:45AM +, Rob wrote: We have systems in places that are not temperature controlled and

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-21 Thread William Unruh
On 2015-02-21, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2015-02-19, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Miroslav Lichvar mlich...@redhat.com wrote: On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 12:48:46PM +, Rob wrote: I am still finding out what sensor is best to use, we do have a room

Re: [ntp:questions] Type 28 driver (gpsd, SHM) - understanding flag1

2015-02-21 Thread David Taylor
On 21/02/2015 11:40, Harlan Stenn wrote: David Taylor writes: Thanks, Mike. We are carrying out some tests, but it means leaving the computer down for at least several hours, and we've been trying about 24 hours down so far, so progress isn't rapid! If flag1 allows off-the-network operation

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-21 Thread Paul
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 1:57 AM, William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2015-02-21, Paul tik-...@bodosom.net wrote: On Fri, Feb 20, 2015 at 3:23 PM, William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: ??? how do assume that the chrony docs do not tell the truth? ^ you Okay, I'll assume

Re: [ntp:questions] Type 28 driver (gpsd, SHM) - understanding flag1

2015-02-21 Thread Harlan Stenn
David Taylor writes: On 21/02/2015 11:40, Harlan Stenn wrote: David Taylor writes: Thanks, Mike. We are carrying out some tests, but it means leaving the computer down for at least several hours, and we've been trying about 24 hours down so far, so progress isn't rapid! If flag1 allows

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-21 Thread David Taylor
On 21/02/2015 17:52, William Unruh wrote: [] It will do that too. The crucial item there is the only method of time correction is manual entry which is different from ntpd and orphan mode. I have no idea why this conversation is continuing. The two are different. The two methods are trying to

Re: [ntp:questions] chrony as a server

2015-02-21 Thread Rob
William Unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: What are you using? Are you on ntpd or chrony? Please do not followup to my postings when you don't care to follow the thread! ___ questions mailing list questions@lists.ntp.org