Re: [ntp:questions] outlyer / falseticker

2013-03-07 Thread unruh
On 2013-03-07, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists Null@BlackList.Anitech-Systems.invalid wrote: unruh wrote: I am positive that no matter where you live, the television show Survivor has made its appearance. I bet they don't get that in North Korea. Not at all

Re: [ntp:questions] multiple instances of NTP on different interfaces

2013-03-06 Thread unruh
On 2013-03-06, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2013-03-05, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2013-03-05, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote: Abu Abdullah wrote: Does this mean ntpd

Re: [ntp:questions] 1s offset

2013-03-06 Thread unruh
On 2013-03-06, folkert folk...@vanheusden.com wrote: [ garmin 18x lvc offsets ] ... Now when I run either 4.2.6p5 or dev-4.2.7p359, I always get an offset of ~1s. ... If I use 4.2.5p158 instead, the synchronization is perfect, on both systems. Agreed that it's unlikely to be a firmware

Re: [ntp:questions] multiple instances of NTP on different interfaces

2013-03-05 Thread unruh
On 2013-03-05, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote: Abu Abdullah wrote: Does this mean ntpd is not supposed to be run in parallel? Is there any It is not seen as something anyone would want to do. I could understand why someone would want to

Re: [ntp:questions] multiple instances of NTP on different interfaces

2013-03-05 Thread unruh
On 2013-03-05, Abu Abdullah falcon.sh...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 4, 2013 at 11:12 PM, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists Null@blacklist.anitech-systems.invalid wrote: Abu Abdullah wrote: I'm trying to run two instances of ntp They are going to fight each other

Re: [ntp:questions] help

2013-03-05 Thread unruh
On 2013-03-04, 1900116857 1900116...@qq.com wrote: Dear sir, I'm a student from Asia. My OS is Ubuntu12.04amd64 I dowloaded the NTP4.2.6p5 package and installed it with following commands: configure make make install Installation seems successful. No error is reported. But there still

Re: [ntp:questions] multiple instances of NTP on different interfaces

2013-03-05 Thread unruh
On 2013-03-05, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2013-03-05, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote: Abu Abdullah wrote: Does this mean ntpd is not supposed to be run in parallel? Is there any It is not seen

Re: [ntp:questions] multiple instances of NTP on different interfaces

2013-03-05 Thread unruh
the clock. One would normally simply set suitable access restrictions for un-named clients. I think the defaults are probably adequate. The point is that it is not important what you (and unruh) think. Here on the newsgroup the answer to all questions is always you don't want to do

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP architecture with virtual machines for stratum-2 ?

2013-03-04 Thread unruh
On 2013-03-04, janfr...@tanso.net janfr...@tanso.net wrote: I have access to two external stratum-1 ntp-servers (one GPS and one with both GPS and long wave radio), and one company internal stratum-1/GPS, plus I'm considering if we should have a second company internal stratum-1. The

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP architecture with virtual machines for stratum-2 ?

2013-03-04 Thread unruh
On 2013-03-04, janfr...@tanso.net janfr...@tanso.net wrote: kl. 21:20:46 UTC+1 mandag 4. mars 2013 skrev unruh f?lgende: Virtualisation and time keeping should be kept as far apart as possible. Time keeping should be done by the base OS, not by one of the virtual ones. Otherwise you

Re: [ntp:questions] Two GPIO PPSes on Raspberry Pi

2013-03-01 Thread unruh
On 2013-03-01, Richard B. Gilbert rgilber...@comcast.net wrote: On 2/28/2013 6:03 PM, Chris Adams wrote: Once upon a time, Ralph Aichinger ra...@pangea.at said: Has anybody *two* GPIO PPS devices on different GPIO pins on their Raspberry Pi? Would a setup like this enable the ntpd to check

Re: [ntp:questions] Two GPIO PPSes on Raspberry Pi

2013-02-28 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-28, Ralph Aichinger ra...@pangea.at wrote: Has anybody *two* GPIO PPS devices on different GPIO pins on their Raspberry Pi? Would a setup like this enable the ntpd to check the devices against eachother (or probably more likely give an idea of interrupt handling capabilities)?

Re: [ntp:questions] How do I validate my PPS clocks?

2013-02-28 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-28, rama...@gmail.com rama...@gmail.com wrote: On Thursday, February 28, 2013 3:53:22 PM UTC+10, unruh wrote: On 2013-02-28, ramadog wrote: Up to that 8us point it is the same behaviour I have been seeing since 2008. I did this graph April 11 2008 http://users.on.net/~boddingt

Re: [ntp:questions] Two GPIO PPSes on Raspberry Pi

2013-02-28 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-28, Chris Adams cmad...@hiwaay.net wrote: Once upon a time, Ralph Aichinger ra...@pangea.at said: Has anybody *two* GPIO PPS devices on different GPIO pins on their Raspberry Pi? Would a setup like this enable the ntpd to check the devices against eachother (or probably more likely

Re: [ntp:questions] How do I validate my PPS clocks?

2013-02-27 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-26, rama...@gmail.com rama...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:57:22 AM UTC+10, unruh wrote: handling. And I only saw 1-2 us difference. Why are you getting 12us on the ldisc code? The 11us in my case is how long it takes to get from early in the interrupt code

Re: [ntp:questions] How do I validate my PPS clocks?

2013-02-27 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-26, rama...@gmail.com rama...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:57:22 AM UTC+10, unruh wrote: handling. And I only saw 1-2 us difference. Why are you getting 12us on the ldisc code? The 11us in my case is how long it takes to get from early in the interrupt code

Re: [ntp:questions] ntpd locks-up on FreeBSD 8.3

2013-02-27 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-28, Edward T. Mischanko etm1...@hotmail.com wrote: When ntpd loads via rc.d at system start-up it just locks-up. It doesn't finish loading what is in the rc.conf or give me a login prompt. I have to control c out of it to regain control of the computer, but that terminates ntpd.

Re: [ntp:questions] How do I validate my PPS clocks?

2013-02-26 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-26, Charles Elliott elliott...@verizon.net wrote: I performed the same kind of test on a commercial real-time O/S at the time sold by Intel, but since divested. I put code in a program to output a digital pulse when the mock application program received notification of the

Re: [ntp:questions] PPS only configuration

2013-02-26 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-26, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: Richard B. Gilbert rgilber...@comcast.net wrote: I think that many hardware terminals e.g. VT100 or VT320 do not handle long lines well. I can't see any reason why anyone would need to send more than 132 characters in one line of text! You may

Re: [ntp:questions] no servers, synchronized, time reset

2013-02-26 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-25, Trevor Woerner twoer...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, I have been getting the following pattern show up in my log files and I'm hoping to better understand why and perhaps figure out how to improve the situation. I have two machines. One of which, the server, is syncing to an

Re: [ntp:questions] no servers, synchronized, time reset

2013-02-26 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-26, Trevor Woerner twoer...@gmail.com wrote: Hi David, Thank you for your reply. On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 10:09 AM, David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: The current NTP is 4.2.6, with 4.2.7 at an advanced development stage. My first suggestion would be to

Re: [ntp:questions] How do I validate my PPS clocks?

2013-02-25 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-25, Miroslav Lichvar mlich...@redhat.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 25, 2013 at 01:44:02PM +0100, Kasper Pedersen wrote: From the PPS arrives, and to the kernel timestamps it, is a very long time. I wrote this to measure it: http://n1.taur.dk/edgetest.c (you will need a linux machine,

Re: [ntp:questions] How do I validate my PPS clocks?

2013-02-25 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-26, rama...@gmail.com rama...@gmail.com wrote: On Tuesday, February 26, 2013 6:32:53 AM UTC+10, unruh wrote: When I ran a test many years ago I used a program to put out a rising pulse onto one of the printer port output pins, and then connected that to the parallel port nack

Re: [ntp:questions] How do I validate my PPS clocks?

2013-02-24 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-24, bodo...@gmail.com bodo...@gmail.com wrote: I can't find or figure out how to validate my ntp results. I (currently) have two Linux boxes with PPS via the NMEA driver from Garmins (18 18x) and a Sure board connected to a purpose built NTP server. When I set up my first Garmin

Re: [ntp:questions] PPS only configuration

2013-02-21 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-21, Mike S mi...@flatsurface.com wrote: On 2/21/2013 8:52 AM, Brian Utterback wrote: Having said that, I note that Ed Mischanko's mailer is not sending text/plain flowed. So unruh has a point in that case. On 2/21/2013 8:38 AM, Brian Utterback wrote: Hate to get into a religious

Re: [ntp:questions] PPS only configuration

2013-02-21 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-22, Brian Utterback brian.utterb...@oracle.com wrote: On 2/21/2013 7:00 PM, unruh wrote: Note that rmc 5322 is 2008. Many of the news readers are older than that. Another reason to refer to the RFC I quoted, which dates back to the 90's. So, it would appear that is the poster

Re: [ntp:questions] PPS only configuration

2013-02-21 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-22, Mike S mi...@flatsurface.com wrote: On 2/21/2013 7:00 PM, unruh wrote: Note that rmc 5322 is 2008. Many of the news readers are older than that. What's your point? Prior to 2008, RFC822 (1982) applied, which places no restrictions on line length. Or, if you prefer, RFC2046

Re: [ntp:questions] PPS only configuration

2013-02-20 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-20, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists Null@BlackList.Anitech-Systems.invalid wrote: On 2/20/2013 12:17 PM, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: The Thunderbird Mail Client does NOT automagically insert line breaks when the sender has failed to do so. Fortunately,

Re: [ntp:questions] PPS only configuration

2013-02-20 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-21, Mike S mi...@flatsurface.com wrote: On 2/19/2013 1:51 AM, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: I have an Enter key on my keyboard and I use it! It doesn't seem to me to be rocket science to use an Enter key, or a Return key somewhere between 1 and 120 characters. No sense getting upset

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP NMEA driver

2013-02-16 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-16, David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 15/02/2013 21:18, unruh wrote: [] It is also not an issue if you do not buy Garmin. But so what? If you buy old stock it is an issue. You CAN fix it as you say, but you must fix it. It is like saying that if you buy

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP NMEA driver

2013-02-15 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-15, David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 14/02/2013 22:00, unruh wrote: [] It was not an issue of stability, but of the notification of which second. It was coming out more than one second after the second it is labeling. Germin was very resistant

Re: [ntp:questions] How exact are the PPS pulses of common GPSses?

2013-02-14 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-14, David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote: unruh wrote: If it were out by 1us, it would put you out by almost a km on the surface of the earth. That's a requirement for the relative time from two satellites. The absolute time and any propagation effect

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP NMEA driver

2013-02-14 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-14, Mischanko, Edward T edward.mischa...@arcelormittal.com wrote: And what exactly is wrong with the Garmin 18x? I have found my 18x to be much more stable than the Sure Electronics one. The Garmin 18x had a bug in its firmware so that itsometimes put out the time over a second

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP NMEA driver

2013-02-14 Thread unruh
, it apparently is not true anymore. On 11/02/2013 23:56, unruh wrote: [] You are always at the mercy of the receiver. And it is not the fix time. ZDA puts out only to the nearest 10 ms. the others to the nearest second or 10ths of a second. Fix times are in the nanosecond realm. They put out

Re: [ntp:questions] How exact are the PPS pulses of common GPSses?

2013-02-13 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-13, Ralph Aichinger ra...@pangea.at wrote: After having my Raspberry Pi with PPS running, with an offset and jitter value in the region of 1 to 5 microseconds, I am wondering: How precise is the PPS signal of typical consumer hardware (MTK chips, etc.)? Sub microsecond to tens of

Re: [ntp:questions] How exact are the PPS pulses of common GPSses?

2013-02-13 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-13, Ralph Aichinger ra...@pangea.at wrote: Terje Mathisen terje.mathisen at tmsw.no wrote: Unless you replace the motherboard clock source, anything below ~us precision is wasted. Good to know. So basically the 1 or 2??s jitter I get after everything has had time to settle down

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP NMEA driver

2013-02-12 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-12, David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 11/02/2013 23:56, unruh wrote: [] You are always at the mercy of the receiver. And it is not the fix time. ZDA puts out only to the nearest 10 ms. the others to the nearest second or 10ths of a second. Fix times

Re: [ntp:questions] measuring frequency

2013-02-11 Thread unruh
[Followup-To: header set to comp.protocols.time.ntp.] On 2013-02-11, Robert Scott no-one@notreal.invalid wrote: On Sat, 09 Feb 2013 17:18:25 GMT, unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2013-02-08, Ivan Shmakov oneing...@gmail.com wrote: David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid writes

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP NMEA driver

2013-02-11 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-11, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: Please put carriage returns into your posts. These run on sentences can be very hard to read. Please get a decent newsreader instead of picking on posting format. I thought the OP was trying to communicate with us

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP NMEA driver

2013-02-10 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-10, Val Schmidt vschm...@ccom.unh.edu wrote: Hello everyone, I have a handful of questions regarding the implementation of the NTP NMEA (and 1PPS) driver. As I'm sure many of you know, these drivers synchronize a local clock using any of a handful of NMEA sentences (ZDA, RMC,

Re: [ntp:questions] measuring frequency

2013-02-09 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-08, Ivan Shmakov oneing...@gmail.com wrote: David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid writes: [Cross-posting, and setting Followup-To:, to news:comp.dsp.] [...] In Fourier terms, the spectral width of a piano note is going to be more than 12ppm and depend on the exact

Re: [ntp:questions] Confused about pool rotation

2013-02-06 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-06, Robert Scott no-one@notreal.invalid wrote: Here is a related question: Suppose I wanted to improve my SNTP implementation by accessing several servers in a short span of time? And how will this improve things? (But I don't want the full overhead of NTP.) If DNS caching is

Re: [ntp:questions] Confused about pool rotation

2013-02-06 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-06, Robert Scott no-one@notreal.invalid wrote: On Wed, 06 Feb 2013 21:27:56 +, David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote: no-...@no-place.org wrote: where hints has been set up to define a socket type of SOCK_DGRAM and family of AF_INET. As expected, the Internet

Re: [ntp:questions] Confused about pool rotation

2013-02-06 Thread unruh
On 2013-02-07, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists Null@BlackList.Anitech-Systems.invalid wrote: Robert Scott wrote: the Android SDK. It would seem like what you could do in a short amount of time, would instead take several hours. His concern is that rate,

Re: [ntp:questions] panic_stop with ntpd v4.2.6p3

2013-01-30 Thread unruh
On 2013-01-30, John Connor john.con...@gmail.com wrote: Hi I'm running ntpd v4.2.6p3 on Solaris 8 (I know; necessity..) and recently it experienced a panic_stop event: 24 Jan 00:36:15 ntpd[244]: 82.219.4.30 961a 8a sys_peer 24 Jan 06:55:26 ntpd[244]: 0.0.0.0 0628 08 no_sys_peer 24 Jan

Re: [ntp:questions] Using NTP to calibrate sound app

2013-01-29 Thread unruh
On 2013-01-28, Jeroen Mostert jmost...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 2013-01-28 23:04, unruh wrote: On 2013-01-28, Jeroen Mostertjmost...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 2013-01-27 23:43, unruh wrote: On 2013-01-27, David Taylordavid-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 27/01/2013 19:33, unruh wrote

Re: [ntp:questions] Using NTP to calibrate sound app

2013-01-29 Thread unruh
On 2013-01-30, A C agcarver+...@acarver.net wrote: On 1/29/2013 12:04, unruh wrote: Actually for a piano, there is ALWAYS beating. The three strings have three modes, and it is impossible to tune all those three modes to the same frequency, because the soundboard couples them. Thus the three

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP for latency measurement

2013-01-28 Thread unruh
On 2013-01-28, jack flora flora...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I would like to know if NTP can be used to measure latency between publishers and subscribers in a distributed computing environment. NTP is configured on all the nodes. How do I use the statistics collected on both the nodes to measure

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Stratum

2013-01-28 Thread unruh
On 2013-01-26, deepak khandelwal dazz...@gmail.com wrote: hi, Is there any configuration support in ntp by which i can drop to the local reference clock at desired stratum value (received from server) basically i want to drop to my local clock as my servers reach to stratum level 10 ? There

Re: [ntp:questions] Using NTP to calibrate sound app

2013-01-28 Thread unruh
On 2013-01-28, Jeroen Mostert jmost...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 2013-01-27 23:43, unruh wrote: On 2013-01-27, David Taylordavid-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 27/01/2013 19:33, unruh wrote: On 2013-01-27, no-...@no-place.orgno-...@no-place.org wrote: [] In case you are wondering, my

Re: [ntp:questions] Using NTP to calibrate sound app

2013-01-28 Thread unruh
On 2013-01-28, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: no-...@no-place.org no-...@no-place.org wrote: On 28 Jan 2013 09:57:00 GMT, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: There will be the extra complication that a UMTS connection goes into a sleep mode when there is little or no traffic. To wake it up you need

Re: [ntp:questions] Using NTP to calibrate sound app

2013-01-27 Thread unruh
On 2013-01-27, no-...@no-place.org no-...@no-place.org wrote: @unruh: You are exactly right. Whatever network jitter there is I just need to have a calibration run sufficiently long so that the derived frequency is close enough. Given infinite time I can make Well, no. the problem

Re: [ntp:questions] Using NTP to calibrate sound app

2013-01-27 Thread unruh
On 2013-01-27, David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 27/01/2013 19:33, unruh wrote: On 2013-01-27, no-...@no-place.org no-...@no-place.org wrote: [] In case you are wondering, my app is a professional piano tuning app. The standard in this industry is that tuning

Re: [ntp:questions] Using NTP to calibrate sound app

2013-01-26 Thread unruh
On 2013-01-26, David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote: no-...@no-place.org wrote: small packets. A calibration run would consist of an initial NTP syncronization with an audio packet, followed by a period of some What you are describing here isn't, I think, the use of NTP, but

Re: [ntp:questions] PPS only configuration

2013-01-19 Thread unruh
On 2013-01-19, Mischanko, Edward T edward.mischa...@arcelormittal.com wrote: I have my mail program at work set the break the line at 66 characters. If that is still too wide, please let me know. As for the sarcasm, I think it is unhelpful and irritating at best; it too can be considered OT.

Re: [ntp:questions] PPS only configuration

2013-01-19 Thread unruh
On 2013-01-19, Mischanko, Edward T edward.mischa...@arcelormittal.com wrote: Unruh, I have now set the line length to 50 characters. I have no idea what your requirements are; I am trying to please you! As for OT, I would have contacted you directly, but you have an invalid email address

Re: [ntp:questions] PPS only configuration

2013-01-18 Thread unruh
On 2013-01-18, Mischanko, Edward T edward.mischa...@arcelormittal.com wrote: Microsoft Outlook supports well and line length is configurable to any length you want when mailing in plain text mode. My newsfeed program at home, Microsoft Live Mail, I have yet to figure out how to configure

Re: [ntp:questions] Why is my precision=-15? I'm using a nano kernel.

2013-01-15 Thread unruh
On 2013-01-15, Edward T. Mischanko etm1...@hotmail.com wrote: associd=0 status=011d leap_none, sync_pps, 1 event, kern, version=ntpd 4.2.7p347@1.2483-o Mon Jan 7 19:42:41 UTC 2013 (1), processor=i386, system=FreeBSD/8.2-RELEASE, leap=00, stratum=1, precision=-15, rootdelay=0.000,

Re: [ntp:questions] Why is my precision=-15? I'm using a nano kernel.

2013-01-15 Thread unruh
On 2013-01-15, Edward T. Mischanko etm1...@hotmail.com wrote: unruh wrote in message news:0RgJs.101361$2v@newsfe05.iad... On 2013-01-15, Edward T. Mischanko etm1...@hotmail.com wrote: associd=0 status=011d leap_none, sync_pps, 1 event, kern, version=ntpd 4.2.7p347@1.2483-o Mon Jan

Re: [ntp:questions] X2 assert and clear events (PPS) on LInux with sure GPS Board

2013-01-09 Thread unruh
On 2013-01-09, thelastroman...@live.fr thelastroman...@live.fr wrote: Hi, Thanks, it seems to work. So, i just need nanoseconds precision with this 1pps on my localhost, don't need NTP or other. You will NOT get nanosecond precision. If that is your goal, give up now. No computer can reach

Re: [ntp:questions] FLL instability

2013-01-06 Thread unruh
On 2013-01-07, Richard B. Gilbert rgilber...@comcast.net wrote: On 1/6/2013 3:45 AM, Mischanko, Edward T wrote: -Original Message- From: questions- bounces+edward.mischanko=arcelormittal@lists.ntp.org [mailto:questions- bounces+edward.mischanko=arcelormittal@lists.ntp.org]

Re: [ntp:questions] Using PPS

2012-12-28 Thread unruh
On 2012-12-28, Uwe Klein u...@klein-habertwedt.de wrote: David Woolley wrote: David Taylor wrote: I'm used to the Windows implementation of NTP, which doesn't have the same PPS implementation. I guess that the Linux type 20 driver must The Windows implementation of NTP is w32time

Re: [ntp:questions] How to establish a public timeserver on linux? (ntp.conf)

2012-12-27 Thread unruh
On 2012-12-26, joerg.wieg...@googlemail.com joerg.wieg...@googlemail.com wrote: what are the right settings in ntp.conf to allow public access? That is by default. But you have to make sure that port 123 is not being filtered out by your firewall.

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP constant delay ?

2012-12-27 Thread unruh
On 2012-12-26, Ran Shalit ransha...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I intend to use SNTP protocol with 2 machines connected by LAN. According to decumentatio about SNTP it sys that SNTP provides accuracy typically within 100 ms. Not sure where this nonesense was written. I would like to ask please

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP constant delay ?

2012-12-27 Thread unruh
On 2012-12-27, Ran Shalit ransha...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 11:24 AM, unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: delay be constant within 100msec, meaning Hi, SNPT performance with talks about accuracy of 100msec are shown in the following white paper: http://www.cisco.com/en/US/tech

Re: [ntp:questions] FW: Clock Offset

2012-12-22 Thread unruh
On 2012-12-22, Mischanko, Edward T edward.mischa...@arcelormittal.com wrote: -Original Message- From: Mischanko, Edward T Sent: Friday, December 21, 2012 9:14 PM Subject: RE: [ntp:questions] Clock Offset -Original Message- From: questions-

Re: [ntp:questions] Clock Offset

2012-12-19 Thread unruh
On 2012-12-18, Mischanko, Edward T edward.mischa...@arcelormittal.com wrote: How can my local clock have a negative offset when none of the selected peers have a negative offset? Is it possible? Get rid of your local clock. You should NOT have a local clock set. It is a mistake. (except in

Re: [ntp:questions] A proposal to use NIC launch time support to improve NTP

2012-12-19 Thread unruh
On 2012-12-19, Hal Murray hal-use...@ip-64-139-1-69.sjc.megapath.net wrote: In article 50d1c5b9.8020...@oracle.com, Brian Utterback brian.utterb...@oracle.com writes: No, you are missing the point. You have two clocks in this scenario, the kernel clock and the network controller clock. If one

Re: [ntp:questions] fixing erasure of loops files in /var/log/ntpstats folder

2012-12-17 Thread unruh
On 2012-12-17, reader7 website.read...@gmail.com wrote: For some strange reason an ntp process is erasing older loops files in the /var/log/ntpstats folder. I want to save all loops files for the whole calendar year. What setting do I have to change, so that this will occur? ntpd does

Re: [ntp:questions] Win7: ntpd adjusting time backwards

2012-12-13 Thread unruh
On 2012-12-13, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists Null@BlackList.Anitech-Systems.invalid wrote: Jeroen Mostert wrote: BlackLists wrote: ntpq -c rv0 precision should give a clue how close you can expect to get on a given machine. I assume you mean 'ntpq -c rv 0

Re: [ntp:questions] Win7: ntpd adjusting time backwards

2012-12-13 Thread unruh
On 2012-12-13, Jeroen Mostert jmost...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 2012-12-13 09:08, David Woolley wrote: Jeroen Mostert wrote: negatively affect performance of the host (which makes sense, since driving all virtuals with 1000 interrupts/sec can't be easy). Even so, You wouldn't expect 1ms ticks.

Re: [ntp:questions] Implementing NTP in a legacy system

2012-12-12 Thread unruh
On 2012-12-12, andreas.a...@de.transport.bombardier.com andreas.a...@de.transport.bombardier.com wrote: Dear all, I'm rather new to NTP so please forgive me, if my question is trivial. I'm maintaining a legacy system with its own proprietary time Why be coy. Why not tell us what that

Re: [ntp:questions] Implementing NTP in a legacy system

2012-12-12 Thread unruh
On 2012-12-12, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: On 2012-12-12, andreas.a...@de.transport.bombardier.com andreas.a...@de.transport.bombardier.com wrote: Dear all, I'm rather new to NTP so please forgive me, if my question is trivial. I'm maintaining a legacy

Re: [ntp:questions] Implementing NTP in a legacy system

2012-12-12 Thread unruh
On 2012-12-12, andreas.a...@de.transport.bombardier.com andreas.a...@de.transport.bombardier.com wrote: Hi unruh, unruh un...@invalid.ca schrieb am 12.12.2012 18:37:33: On 2012-12-12, andreas.a...@de.transport.bombardier.com andreas. a...@de.transport.bombardier.com wrote: Dear all

Re: [ntp:questions] Implementing NTP in a legacy system

2012-12-12 Thread unruh
On 2012-12-12, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists Null@BlackList.Anitech-Systems.invalid wrote: unruh wrote: ... I do not think any of these are an answer to his problem. He has two computers A and B. A's clock is disciplined by some other program, but he wants

Re: [ntp:questions] Win7: ntpd adjusting time backwards

2012-12-10 Thread unruh
On 2012-12-10, Jeroen Mostert jmost...@xs4all.nl wrote: On 2012-12-09 16:10, Jeroen Mostert wrote: On 2012-12-09 16:00, Jeroen Mostert wrote: I'm going to leave it alone for a bit to see the results after ntpd gets some time to stabilize. For reference, I've done all of the following so far:

Re: [ntp:questions] Win7: ntpd adjusting time backwards

2012-12-10 Thread unruh
. That someone would not yet be me. If I offset the offsets (pardon my math) by -33 milliseconds, I'd roughly have a zero axis that they'd be swinging around with a range of -10/+10. According to unruh, even that would still be horrible in terms of accuracy, so I'm not sure if that's

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP_MAXCLOCK in ntp.h

2012-12-10 Thread unruh
On 2012-12-11, Mischanko, Edward T edward.mischa...@arcelormittal.com wrote: Please tell me why when watching my client with NTP Time Server Monitor by Meinberg, my client does not honor the NTP_MAXCLOCK setting in the ntp.h file. Why do you thing your client does not honour that setting? And

Re: [ntp:questions] Win7: ntpd adjusting time backwards

2012-12-08 Thread unruh
On 2012-12-08, Jeroen Mostert jmost...@xs4all.nl wrote: If my event log is to be believed, ntpd is adjusting the clock to times in the past (with pretty big intervals): Log Name: System Source:Microsoft-Windows-Kernel-General Date: 2012-12-08 15:18:52 Event ID:

Re: [ntp:questions] Loopstats jitter field mostly zero?

2012-11-27 Thread unruh
On 2012-11-27, gabs gsrica...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, November 25, 2012 3:56:28 AM UTC+8, David Taylor wrote: I've just started the statistics collection on my Linux/RPi NTP server, and when plotting the jitter results I found that most of the values were zero. I don't see that on my

Re: [ntp:questions] Using Trimble TSIP under Linux

2012-11-27 Thread unruh
On 2012-11-27, David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 27/11/2012 15:13, unruh wrote: On 2012-11-27, David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: Ralph, thanks for your pointer about rebuilding the kernel. Not trivial, is it! BTW: this post seems to have

Re: [ntp:questions] Timing issue with Linux and kernel PPS?

2012-11-21 Thread unruh
On 2012-11-21, David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 20/11/2012 11:12, Miroslav Lichvar wrote: On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 06:03:06PM +, David Taylor wrote: On both systems, sudo modprobe pps_ldisc produces no output. No message is a good message :). I have no idea

Re: [ntp:questions] Audible signal generator (BBC pips)?

2012-11-18 Thread unruh
On 2012-11-18, Ralph Aichinger ra...@pangea.at wrote: As the Raspberry Pi I am currently using as a NTP box has an audio output available, I am wondering if this otherwise unused output (on a dedicated NTP box) could be used to generate BBC style pips or other audible time signals?

Re: [ntp:questions] why does asterisk still show after the ntp server is shutdown?

2012-11-17 Thread unruh
On 2012-11-17, Brian Utterback brian.utterb...@oracle.com wrote: On 11/16/2012 6:03 PM, Rob wrote: Harlan Stenn st...@ntp.org wrote: I don't understand the problem. It doesn't matter why the destination machine is unreachable, or when it becomes unreachable. Time from that source is valid

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP.ORG MEINBERG KEEP TIME ACCURATE to 10MS

2012-11-16 Thread unruh
On 2012-11-16, Jonatan Walck jwa...@netnod.se wrote: On 11/16/2012 01:55 AM, Charles Elliott wrote: 131.107.13.100 is also a Microsoft time server; it appears to work well. I wrote to the email address given in whois to find the URL for it, but never received a reply. Charles Elliott

Re: [ntp:questions] why does asterisk still show after the ntp server is shutdown?

2012-11-16 Thread unruh
On 2012-11-16, Jun Hu duanshui...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi David You've only lost three of the last 8 samples from that server. --- where do you get that ? the reach value or other ? Yes. One bit for each of the last 8 polls. Three bits are zero, and 5 bits are 1 (indicating reply

Re: [ntp:questions] why does asterisk still show after the ntp server is shutdown?

2012-11-16 Thread unruh
On 2012-11-16, Jun Hu duanshui...@hotmail.com wrote: now, I need to configure ntp server and client in a private network environment, supposed that: Server A -- client B,servers and clients are all linux physical machine. server A -- ntp.conf

Re: [ntp:questions] why does asterisk still show after the ntp server is shutdown?

2012-11-16 Thread unruh
On 2012-11-16, Rob nom...@example.com wrote: unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: AFter a while it will. Right now it has only missed three pollings of the server ( and since ntpd throws away 7 out of 8 polls anyway that is too little) so wait another 10 hours and see if the * remains. Your machine

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP.ORG MEINBERG KEEP TIME ACCURATE to 10MS

2012-11-15 Thread unruh
On 2012-11-15, David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 15/11/2012 07:22, unruh wrote: [] Actually more like 2 microseconds accuracy should be possible, unless the Raspberry Pi's servicing of the GPIO interrupt is really very bad. http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP.ORG MEINBERG KEEP TIME ACCURATE to 10MS

2012-11-15 Thread unruh
other source of time? Charles Elliott -Original Message- From: questions-bounces+elliott.ch=verizon@lists.ntp.org [mailto:questions-bounces+elliott.ch=verizon@lists.ntp.org] On Behalf Of unruh Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 1:43 AM To: questions@lists.ntp.org Subject: Re

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP.ORG MEINBERG KEEP TIME ACCURATE to 10MS

2012-11-14 Thread unruh
On 2012-11-14, David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote: David Taylor wrote: The secret has been to make a tight connection between the Windows PCs and the best available stratum-1 server by fixing the polling at 32 seconds. In your case, this may correspond to a line like:

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP.ORG MEINBERG KEEP TIME ACCURATE to 10MS

2012-11-14 Thread unruh
On 2012-11-14, gbusenb...@yahoo.com gbusenb...@yahoo.com wrote: They HP DL 380 G7 Servers. Sorry for the typo. No virtual machines are being used. Each Windows 2008 Server has dedicated hardware and is almost idle in terms of load. Yesterday after making the changes of getting rid of the

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP.ORG MEINBERG KEEP TIME ACCURATE to 10MS

2012-11-14 Thread unruh
On 2012-11-15, Richard B. Gilbert rgilber...@comcast.net wrote: On 11/14/2012 12:02 AM, E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists wrote: gbusenb...@yahoo.com wrote: I am now left with two lines in ntp.conf driftfile C:\Program Files\NTP\etc\ntp.drift server 10.1.126.204

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP.ORG MEINBERG KEEP TIME ACCURATE to 10MS

2012-11-14 Thread unruh
On 2012-11-15, David Taylor david-tay...@blueyonder.co.uk.invalid wrote: On 14/11/2012 21:40, gbusenb...@yahoo.com wrote: [] Below ntpq -p from my 10.1.126.202 server which gets time from 10.1.126.204. I see there is a lot of Jitter. Is the offset of 259ms. remote refid

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP.ORG MEINBERG KEEP TIME ACCURATE to 10MS

2012-11-13 Thread unruh
On 2012-11-13, gbusenb...@yahoo.com gbusenb...@yahoo.com wrote: I am not sure if this is possible. I have a requirement from a customer that the time must be within 10ms of the parent server which is on the same LAN. I have tried several different things without an luck. NTP Time seems to

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP.ORG MEINBERG KEEP TIME ACCURATE to 10MS

2012-11-13 Thread unruh
On 2012-11-14, gbusenb...@yahoo.com gbusenb...@yahoo.com wrote: Thanks everybody. Seems like everybody. I have removed the tinker line and agree that it sounds like these two lines are not needed either. They were the defualts. server 127.127.1.0 fudge 127.127.1.0 stratum 12 I am

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP.ORG MEINBERG KEEP TIME ACCURATE to 10MS

2012-11-13 Thread unruh
On 2012-11-14, Rick Jones rick.jon...@hp.com wrote: unruh un...@invalid.ca wrote: I hae no idea what HM DL380G7 means Likely as not, that is a slight typographical error for HP DL380 G7 - a 2U, two-socket Intel-based server in the HP ProLiant line. http://h18004.www1.hp.com/products

Re: [ntp:questions] What is the NTP recovery time from 16s step inGPSserver?

2012-11-02 Thread unruh
...@lists.ntp.org] On Behalf Of David Woolley Sent: Friday, 2 November 2012 12:32 AM To: questions@lists.ntp.org Subject: Re: What is the NTP recovery time from 16s step inGPSserver? unruh wrote: Interrupt latencies in my measurements tended to be at the one or 2 microsecond level. (drive a pin

Re: [ntp:questions] What is the NTP recovery time from 16s step in GPSserver?

2012-11-01 Thread unruh
On 2012-11-01, David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote: David Taylor wrote: On a recent restart from cold, the server here took about 15 minutes to get to within 250 microseconds, and about an hour to be within 10 microseconds. Ultimately it is within about 3 microseconds. 3

Re: [ntp:questions] What is the NTP recovery time from 16s step in GPSserver?

2012-11-01 Thread unruh
On 2012-11-01, David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote: David Taylor wrote: On 01/11/2012 08:40, David Woolley wrote: David Taylor wrote: On a recent restart from cold, the server here took about 15 minutes to get to within 250 microseconds, and about an hour to be within 10

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