Re: [ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-04-02 Thread David Lord
A C wrote: On 3/31/2012 20:19, David Lord wrote: A C wrote: I'm not sure which value you are referring to. From the "ntpq -p" billboard over a day, I see values of jitter of the GPS as low as 0.002 Yes, it's that jitter however there's a minimum computed value below which it never goes (varie

Re: [ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-04-01 Thread A C
On 3/31/2012 20:19, David Lord wrote: A C wrote: I'm not sure which value you are referring to. From the "ntpq -p" billboard over a day, I see values of jitter of the GPS as low as 0.002 Yes, it's that jitter however there's a minimum computed value below which it never goes (varies per system

Re: [ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-04-01 Thread David Lord
David J Taylor wrote: "David Lord" wrote in message news:t1bk49-6hi@me6000g.home.lordynet.org... [] I'm not sure which value you are referring to. From the "ntpq -p" billboard over a day, I see values of jitter of the GPS as low as 0.002 jitter No of 0.002156 0.003

Re: [ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-03-31 Thread David J Taylor
"David Lord" wrote in message news:t1bk49-6hi@me6000g.home.lordynet.org... [] I'm not sure which value you are referring to. From the "ntpq -p" billboard over a day, I see values of jitter of the GPS as low as 0.002 jitter No of 0.002156 0.003 50 0.004

Re: [ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-03-31 Thread A C
On 3/31/2012 20:19, David Lord wrote: A C wrote: I'm not sure which value you are referring to. From the "ntpq -p" billboard over a day, I see values of jitter of the GPS as low as 0.002 Yes, it's that jitter however there's a minimum computed value below which it never goes (varies per system

Re: [ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-03-31 Thread David Lord
A C wrote: I'm not sure which value you are referring to. From the "ntpq -p" billboard over a day, I see values of jitter of the GPS as low as 0.002 Yes, it's that jitter however there's a minimum computed value below which it never goes (varies per system). On my system it used to be comput

Re: [ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-03-31 Thread A C
I'm not sure which value you are referring to. From the "ntpq -p" billboard over a day, I see values of jitter of the GPS as low as 0.002 Yes, it's that jitter however there's a minimum computed value below which it never goes (varies per system). On my system it used to be computed at 0.061

Re: [ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-03-31 Thread David Lord
A C wrote: On 3/30/2012 03:30, David Lord wrote: A C wrote: On 3/29/2012 03:29, David Lord wrote: Dave Hart wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 02:44, A C wrote: Without flag3 it appears that ntpd does the heavy lifting but is unable to use the PPS unless a prefer peer is set. With flag3 enabled

Re: [ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-03-31 Thread Dave Hart
On Sat, Mar 31, 2012 at 18:12, A C wrote: > I understand that the jitter will change but I'm talking about the minimum > possible jitter that ntpd can report for a given system.  Using 4.2.6, the > minimum possible jitter reported (such as what is shown in the ntpq > billboard when ntpd first star

Re: [ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-03-31 Thread A C
On 3/30/2012 03:30, David Lord wrote: A C wrote: On 3/29/2012 03:29, David Lord wrote: Dave Hart wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 02:44, A C wrote: Without flag3 it appears that ntpd does the heavy lifting but is unable to use the PPS unless a prefer peer is set. With flag3 enabled, PPS is run

Re: [ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-03-30 Thread David Lord
David Lord wrote: A C wrote: On 3/29/2012 03:29, David Lord wrote: Dave Hart wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 02:44, A C wrote: Without flag3 it appears that ntpd does the heavy lifting but is unable to use the PPS unless a prefer peer is set. With flag3 enabled, PPS is running without a prefe

Re: [ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-03-30 Thread David Lord
A C wrote: On 3/29/2012 03:29, David Lord wrote: Dave Hart wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 02:44, A C wrote: Without flag3 it appears that ntpd does the heavy lifting but is unable to use the PPS unless a prefer peer is set. With flag3 enabled, PPS is running without a prefer peer. Being una

Re: [ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-03-29 Thread A C
On 3/29/2012 03:29, David Lord wrote: Dave Hart wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 02:44, A C wrote: Without flag3 it appears that ntpd does the heavy lifting but is unable to use the PPS unless a prefer peer is set. With flag3 enabled, PPS is running without a prefer peer. Being unable to use t

Re: [ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-03-29 Thread David Lord
Dave Hart wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 02:44, A C wrote: Without flag3 it appears that ntpd does the heavy lifting but is unable to use the PPS unless a prefer peer is set. With flag3 enabled, PPS is running without a prefer peer. Being unable to use the PPS unless either a prefer peer is

Re: [ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-03-28 Thread A C
On 3/28/2012 22:02, Dave Hart wrote: On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 02:44, A C wrote: Without flag3 it appears that ntpd does the heavy lifting but is unable to use the PPS unless a prefer peer is set. With flag3 enabled, PPS is running without a prefer peer. Being unable to use the PPS unless eith

Re: [ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-03-28 Thread Dave Hart
On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 02:44, A C wrote: > Without flag3 it appears that ntpd does the heavy lifting but is unable to > use the PPS unless a prefer peer is set.  With flag3 enabled, PPS is running > without a prefer peer. Being unable to use the PPS unless either a prefer peer is set or another

Re: [ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-03-28 Thread A C
On 3/28/2012 19:44, A C wrote: On 3/28/2012 19:32, Dave Hart wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 05:34, A C wrote: On 3/27/2012 22:07, Dave Hart wrote: I suspect you will see that when you've used flag3 1, ntpd has reported time_pps_kcbind failing. I do see a potential bug in that code, though. If

Re: [ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-03-28 Thread A C
On 3/28/2012 19:32, Dave Hart wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 05:34, A C wrote: On 3/27/2012 22:07, Dave Hart wrote: I suspect you will see that when you've used flag3 1, ntpd has reported time_pps_kcbind failing. I do see a potential bug in that code, though. If you don't get any hits from

Re: [ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-03-28 Thread Dave Hart
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 05:34, A C wrote: > On 3/27/2012 22:07, Dave Hart wrote: > >> I suspect you will see that when you've used flag3 1, ntpd has >> reported time_pps_kcbind failing.  I do see a potential bug in that >> code, though.  If you don't get any hits from the fgrep, try removing >> li

Re: [ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-03-27 Thread A C
On 3/27/2012 22:07, Dave Hart wrote: I suspect you will see that when you've used flag3 1, ntpd has reported time_pps_kcbind failing. I do see a potential bug in that code, though. If you don't get any hits from the fgrep, try removing line 1259 from ntp_refclock.c: if

Re: [ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-03-27 Thread A C
On 3/27/2012 22:07, Dave Hart wrote: } Then recompile ntpd and see if it then reports time_pps_kcbind failure with flag3 1. I should point out that the system is obviously using the PPS signal for discipline because the offset on the ATOM line in the billboard never d

Re: [ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-03-27 Thread A C
On 3/27/2012 22:07, Dave Hart wrote: On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 03:52, A C wrote: I'm doing more configuration tests to test ATOM against other configuration options and have turned on flag3 to enable use of the kernel for PPS. Previously it was disabled and, without a preferred peer, ATOM was n

Re: [ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-03-27 Thread Dave Hart
On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 03:52, A C wrote: > I'm doing more configuration tests to test ATOM against other configuration > options and have turned on flag3 to enable use of the kernel for PPS. >  Previously it was disabled and, without a preferred peer, ATOM was never > activated.  With a preferred

[ntp:questions] ATOM falseticker with flag3 enabled

2012-03-27 Thread A C
I'm doing more configuration tests to test ATOM against other configuration options and have turned on flag3 to enable use of the kernel for PPS. Previously it was disabled and, without a preferred peer, ATOM was never activated. With a preferred peer, it would be activated but all clocks wer