Re: [ntp:questions] NTP on local networks

2012-08-02 Thread Chris Albertson
On Wed, Aug 1, 2012 at 6:40 AM, Will Shackleford wrote: > > > The rubidium units I see on E-bay look like they were designed to go in a > CD player. Would I need > additional hardware to connect it to a computer and software to read it as > a clock source? > There are other Rb units on eBay. Th

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP on local networks

2012-08-02 Thread Jeffrey Lerman
Given all the mention of NBS, someone should point out the the OP appears to actually be working at the National Bureau of Standards, which has been called NIST for... decades now. So the below-mentioned clock-containing truck might not have to drive far. :) --Jeff On 8/2/2012 8:13 AM, Richa

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP on local networks

2012-08-02 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 7/31/2012 12:06 PM, unruh wrote: One option is to install a gps receiver onto one or more of your machines to deliver accurate time to them. The second option is to look into "orphan" mode, which was designed for your situation. Your problem is probably that you are using more than one of th

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP on local networks

2012-08-02 Thread David Lord
Will Shackleford wrote: Thanks, I should have provided a number of additional details. The lab is an interior lab on the ground floor of a 3 story building with no windows. The work is not classified but security rules do make things difficult. GPS doesn't seem like an easy solution. The

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP on local networks

2012-08-02 Thread Richard B. Gilbert
On 7/30/2012 11:47 AM, Will Shackleford wrote: We have several computers with several different operating systems on a local network with no radios and no internet connection. The main goal is to keep them synchronized with each other. One frustration I have had is that clients tend to refuse

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP on local networks

2012-08-02 Thread Rob
Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > There is a fairly simple and not terribly expensive solution. > > It's a GPS timing receiver! They were available for about $100 the last > time I looked. Can you put an antenna smaller than a hocky-puck > where it will have a "view" of the sky? He already explained

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP on local networks

2012-08-02 Thread Will Shackleford
I tried setting ophan mode. on 192.168.0.5 I put tos orphan 6 at the end of the ntp.conf file on 192.168.0.4 I ran ntpdate to set the clock I got this [shackle@galactica-304 ~]$ sudo ntpdate -d 192.168.0.5 1 Aug 10:31:02 ntpdate[18776]: ntpdate 4.2.6p3-RC10@1.2239-o Thu Nov 25 16:18:33 U

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP on local networks

2012-08-02 Thread Will Shackleford
Thanks, I should have provided a number of additional details. The lab is an interior lab on the ground floor of a 3 story building with no windows. The work is not classified but security rules do make things difficult. GPS doesn't seem like an easy solution. The computers log data from a

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP on local networks

2012-08-01 Thread unruh
On 2012-08-01, Terje Mathisen <"terje.mathisen at tmsw.no"> wrote: > David Taylor wrote: >> I have information on my Web site on the easy-to-use Sure GPS, as well >> as the low-cost Garmin GPS 18x LVC. >> >>http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Sure-GPS.htm >>http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/FreeBSD-GPS-P

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP on local networks

2012-08-01 Thread unruh
On 2012-08-01, Chris Albertson wrote: > On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Kennedy, Paul wrote: > >> Exactly so. you can purchase a GPS receiver for well under $100 connect >> it to a serial port + pps on any of the pc's and have microsecond >> accuracy in a few hours. This 'master' can then serve

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP on local networks

2012-08-01 Thread David Taylor
On 01/08/2012 10:15, Terje Mathisen wrote: [] This summer I received two more SURE boards, it took about an hour total to solder on the two required patch wires on each of them. (I used David's pictures to remind me where to put the patch wires!) Together with a pair of old laptops (with proper

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP on local networks

2012-08-01 Thread Terje Mathisen
David Taylor wrote: I have information on my Web site on the easy-to-use Sure GPS, as well as the low-cost Garmin GPS 18x LVC. http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/Sure-GPS.htm http://www.satsignal.eu/ntp/FreeBSD-GPS-PPS.htm Mine are using simple puck antennas, indoors, on the top floor of a two-s

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP on local networks

2012-07-31 Thread Chris Albertson
On Tue, Jul 31, 2012 at 7:46 PM, Kennedy, Paul wrote: > Exactly so. you can purchase a GPS receiver for well under $100 connect > it to a serial port + pps on any of the pc's and have microsecond > accuracy in a few hours. This 'master' can then serve time to all other > PC's. The systems will

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP on local networks

2012-07-31 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
unruh wrote: > One option is to install a gps receiver onto one or more > of your machines to deliver accurate time to them. I'd be surprised if NIST didn't have enough refclocks to go around. Will Shackleford might want to have a conversation with Judah Levine. -- E-Mail Sent to this address

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP on local networks

2012-07-31 Thread David Taylor
-Original Message- From: questions-bounces+p.kennedy=fugro.com...@lists.ntp.org [mailto:questions-bounces+p.kennedy=fugro.com...@lists.ntp.org] On Behalf Of Charles Elliott Sent: Wednesday, 1 August 2012 8:26 AM To: 'Will Shackleford'; questions@lists.ntp.org Subject: Re: NTP on local netw

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP on local networks

2012-07-31 Thread Kennedy, Paul
l Shackleford'; questions@lists.ntp.org Subject: Re: [ntp:questions] NTP on local networks Unruh had the correct advice: Buy a (cheap) GPS device for a master clock and propagate the correct time. If something is worth doing, it is worth doing right. Become a force, develop a reputation, for progr

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP on local networks

2012-07-31 Thread Charles Elliott
Monday, July 30, 2012 11:47 AM > To: questions@lists.ntp.org > Subject: [ntp:questions] NTP on local networks > > > We have several computers with several different operating systems on > a local network with no radios and no internet connection. > The main goal is to keep them sy

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP on local networks

2012-07-31 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
BlackLists wrote: > Will Shackleford wrote: >> We have several computers with several different >> operating systems on a local network with no radios and >> no internet connection. >> The main goal is to keep them synchronized with each other. > > You should be able to do a time island with nt

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP on local networks

2012-07-31 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Will Shackleford wrote: > We have several computers with several different > operating systems on a local network with no radios and > no internet connection. > The main goal is to keep them synchronized with each other. You should be able to do a time island with ntp orpahn mode: e.g. I use

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP on local networks

2012-07-31 Thread unruh
One option is to install a gps receiver onto one or more of your machines to deliver accurate time to them. The second option is to look into "orphan" mode, which was designed for your situation. Your problem is probably that you are using more than one of th emachines as the "server" and they h

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP on local networks

2012-07-31 Thread Kennedy, Paul
Hi Will, good questions. Before I offer an answer: 1. can you please provide samples of the ntp.conf files you have in place. It would really assist. 2. can you please provide the version of ntpd you are using? regards pk Questions: How can I configure a client/peer to always accept a server

[ntp:questions] NTP on local networks

2012-07-31 Thread Will Shackleford
We have several computers with several different operating systems on a local network with no radios and no internet connection. The main goal is to keep them synchronized with each other. One frustration I have had is that clients tend to refuse to connect to servers on the network that are