Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-30 Thread Ronan Flood
David Woolley da...@ex.djwhome.demon.co.uk.invalid wrote: Yes, and fudge the stratum to 1, not 2. You mean zero, not 1, You're right, 0, so that the server is seen as stratum 1 by the client. which might be the problem, i.e. either fudge doesn't allow that, or the people who bolted NTP

Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-29 Thread David Woolley
Ronan Flood wrote: Yes, and fudge the stratum to 1, not 2. You mean zero, not 1, which might be the problem, i.e. either fudge doesn't allow that, or the people who bolted NTP onto the time server thought it didn't ___ questions mailing list

Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-27 Thread David Woolley
Ronan Flood wrote: The question remains why the Brandywine PTS device is claiming synch to LOCAL(O) with stratum 2. I suspect it is using the local clock driver for its original purpose, i.e. to propagate the value of a disciplined local clock that is disciplined by something other than

Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-27 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 11:34:11AM +, Ronan Flood wrote: The question remains why the Brandywine PTS device is claiming synch to LOCAL(O) with stratum 2. Maybe the NTP implementation is just replying with the client's refid, which is INIT first and then LOCAL(0). -- Miroslav Lichvar

Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-27 Thread Dave Hart
Terje Mathisen wrote: David Woolley wrote: Ronan Flood wrote: The question remains why the Brandywine PTS device is claiming synch to LOCAL(O) with stratum 2. I suspect it is using the local clock driver for its original purpose, i.e. to propagate the value of a disciplined local clock

Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-26 Thread David Woolley
Harlan Stenn wrote: If you are using LOCAL as a fallback on your client, and your upstream server is using LOCAL ias the name for its PTS-sync'd refid, then the client just sees that the 2 sources it knows about are using the same refid and will flag that as a loop. That doesn't sound

Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-26 Thread Rob
Ronaldo Mexico ronaldo.hawk.mex...@gmail.com wrote: In reply to Gene Miller and Steve Kostecke: If the PTS is connected to a reference clock, why does it report itself as a stratum 2 with a refid of either 73.78.73.84 or LOCAL(0), as shown in the original posting: The PTS -is- it's

Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-26 Thread Dave Hart
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 7:04 AM, David Woolley wrote: Harlan Stenn wrote: If you are using LOCAL as a fallback on your client, and your upstream server is using LOCAL ias the name for its PTS-sync'd refid, then the client just sees that the 2 sources it knows about are using the same refid

Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-26 Thread Ronan Flood
Ronaldo Mexico ronaldo.hawk.mex...@gmail.com wrote: Unfortunately, it's the RHEL server (147.159.120.206). The PTS is on 147.159.120.131. Can you do ntpq -np 147.159.120.131 ? -- Ronan Flood use...@umbral.org.uk ___ questions mailing list

Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-26 Thread Ronan Flood
David Woolley da...@ex.djwhome.demon.co.uk.invalid wrote: Harlan Stenn wrote: If you are using LOCAL as a fallback on your client, and your upstream server is using LOCAL ias the name for its PTS-sync'd refid, then the client just sees that the 2 sources it knows about are using the same

Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-26 Thread Ronan Flood
Correcting myself :-/ I wrote: In 4.2.2 this is adjusted to (peer-stratum 1 peer-refid != htonl(LOOPBACKADR) (peer-refid == peer-dstadr-addr_refid || peer-refid == sys_refid)) which implies that the OP's RHEL server is running 4.2.0 as it sees 127.0.0.1 as a loop. Nope, the

Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-26 Thread Ronan Flood
Ronaldo Mexico ronaldo.hawk.mex...@gmail.com wrote: Steps were taken (fudge 10) to make sure the local clock is only chosen in the worst-case scenario. Even if I remove the local clock (127.127.1.0), it'll still never sync to the only choice it has (the PTS). Are you sure about that? If it

Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-26 Thread David Mills
Dave, The reported configuration is as bad as it gets and is exactly what orphan mode was designed to avoid. For record ans as described on the Mitigation Algorithms and the Prefer Peer page, a loop is detected if he is synchronized to me or if he and I are syncronized to the same IP address.

Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-25 Thread David Woolley
Ronaldo Mexico wrote: For some reason, the ntpd daemon on RHEL refuses to sync with the Red Hat use the Reference implementation, at least as far as the core code is concerned. [r...@screamer-dc1 init.d]# ntpq -p remote refid st t when poll reach delay offset jitter

Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-25 Thread Ronaldo Mexico
In reply to (BlackLists man): I don't see a NTP server on 147.159.120.131  is it restricted to local access? I'm not sure what that question means. It's on the same subnet, but you may be referring to the restricted keyword in the ntp.conf file? What happens if you add to your ntp.conf  

Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-25 Thread Ronaldo Mexico
Replies to David Woolley: This is pretty much a worst case configuration.  Drop the local clock, or add enough real servers to outvote it.  However, I don't think that would produce a reject status.  There is an aberration in most ntpd based packages that they contain a local clock pseudo

Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-25 Thread David J Taylor
Ronaldo Mexico wrote: [] Hmm, that's a good question. I'm using Windows XP and set the ntp server based on the Date and Time Properties -- Internet Time. I have no idea if it's being governed by the w32time service. Ronaldo, With some versions of Windows, w32time doesn't play well with

Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-25 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2009-06-25, Ronaldo Mexico ronaldo.hawk.mex...@gmail.com wrote: ntpq rv 62340 assID=62340 status=9014 reach, conf, 1 event, event_reach, srcadr=ntp, srcport=123, dstadr=147.159.120.206, dstport=123, leap=00, stratum=2, precision=-20, rootdelay=0.000, rootdispersion=0.000, refid=LOCAL(0),

Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-25 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Thu, Jun 25, 2009 at 10:17:52AM -0700, Ronaldo Mexico wrote: On Jun 25, 12:36 pm, Steve Kostecke koste...@ntp.org wrote: On 2009-06-25, Ronaldo Mexico ronaldo.hawk.mex...@gmail.com wrote: ntpq rv 62340 assID=62340 status=9014 reach, conf, 1 event, event_reach, srcadr=ntp,

Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-25 Thread Gene Miller
On Jun 25, 10:57 am, Ronaldo Mexico ronaldo.hawk.mex...@gmail.com wrote: In the system I'm configuring, we have a real time source (the PTS, sync'd via GPS to an authentic time source) and for the extreme backup case (physical failure), the local clock. If the PTS is connected to a reference

Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-25 Thread E-Mail Sent to this address will be added to the BlackLists
Gene Miller wrote: If the PTS is connected to a reference clock, why does it report itself as a stratum 2 with a refid of either 73.78.73.84 or LOCAL(0), 73.78.73.84 = INIT -- E-Mail Sent to this address blackl...@anitech-systems.com will be added to the BlackLists.

Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-25 Thread Steve Kostecke
On 2009-06-25, Ronaldo Mexico ronaldo.hawk.mex...@gmail.com wrote: On Jun 25, 12:36 pm, Steve Kostecke koste...@ntp.org wrote: On 2009-06-25, Ronaldo Mexico ronaldo.hawk.mex...@gmail.com wrote: ntpq rv 62340 assID=62340 status=9014 reach, conf, 1 event, event_reach, srcadr=ntp,

Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-25 Thread David Woolley
Ronaldo Mexico wrote: Unfortunately, it's the RHEL server (147.159.120.206). The PTS is on 147.159.120.131. There are no other NTP servers in the private network. This is why configuring a local clock driver is dangerous. Especially as you are mixing in w32time, that won't understand

Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-25 Thread Ronaldo Mexico
In reply to Gene Miller and Steve Kostecke: If the PTS is connected to a reference clock, why does it report itself as a stratum 2 with a refid of either 73.78.73.84 or LOCAL(0), as shown in the original posting: The PTS -is- it's reference. It's time is based on GPS-fed data, then

Re: [ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-25 Thread Harlan Stenn
In article d8384c7d-f151-4405-86b6-d6a96e656...@j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com, Ronaldo Mexico ronaldo.hawk.mex...@gmail.com writes: Ronaldo In reply to Gene Miller and Steve Kostecke: If the PTS is connected to a reference clock, why does it report itself as a stratum 2 with a refid of

[ntp:questions] Troubleshooting who's at fault

2009-06-24 Thread Ronaldo Mexico
I've tried various searches using google and hear in the group to see if someone has run into something similar, but the only people who have questions similar to mine never got answered, so I'm hoping bringing it up again with a bit more detail will help get it solved. We have physical NTP