[ntp:questions] NTP Servers in virtual machines

2014-06-23 Thread Rob Heemskerk
Hi, Why are NTP Servers running on virtualized hardware (vmware) unsuitable to serve time to clients? I've read this statement several times but can't find a good motivation. I've searched the official documentation, FAQ, the NTP support wiki, this news group, google search. I found this in

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Servers in virtual machines

2014-06-23 Thread Terje Mathisen
Rob Heemskerk wrote: Hi, Why are NTP Servers running on virtualized hardware (vmware) unsuitable to serve time to clients? I've read this statement several times but can't find a good motivation. I've searched the official documentation, FAQ, the NTP support wiki, this news group, google

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Servers in virtual machines

2014-06-23 Thread David Woolley
On 23/06/14 12:03, Rob Heemskerk wrote: As kernels are tickles nowadays response times to clock interrupts and (interrupt backlogs) do not seem to be relevant anymore. Tickless kernels still use clock interrupts; they just schedule them only when actually needed. In fact they can make it

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Servers in virtual machines

2014-06-23 Thread Miroslav Lichvar
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 12:28:53PM +0100, David Woolley wrote: On 23/06/14 12:03, Rob Heemskerk wrote: Could we say it is safe to run ntp servers on a virtualized platform or do we still need a few (4?) dedicated pieces of hardware to run our internal NTP servers? No. Normal

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Servers in virtual machines

2014-06-23 Thread mike cook
Agree wholeheartedly. One other consideration to take into account. Despite the promise of 6 nines uptime for general purpose servers, they get rebooted more much frequently than dedicated NTP servers, and unless you are relying on internet resources for upper stratum, then the optimal

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Servers in virtual machines

2014-06-23 Thread David Woolley
On 23/06/14 13:12, Miroslav Lichvar wrote: I think it all depends on the VM implementation and what clocksource is used in the guest. If the guest is using tsc (i.e. its frequency is independent of the host clock), it will need to run its own NTP It will still be subject to potentially large

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Servers in virtual machines

2014-06-23 Thread Rob
David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote: On 23/06/14 13:12, Miroslav Lichvar wrote: I think it all depends on the VM implementation and what clocksource is used in the guest. If the guest is using tsc (i.e. its frequency is independent of the host clock), it will need to run its own

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Servers in virtual machines

2014-06-23 Thread Paul
On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 9:54 AM, David Woolley david@ex.djwhome.demon.invalid wrote: On 23/06/14 13:12, Miroslav Lichvar wrote: I think it all depends on the VM implementation It will still be subject to potentially large scheduling delays between NTP packet arrival and processing. Also,

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Servers in virtual machines

2014-06-23 Thread William Unruh
On 2014-06-23, Rob Heemskerk rob.heemsk...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Why are NTP Servers running on virtualized hardware (vmware) unsuitable to serve time to clients? Because the virtual clock does not tick regularly. The real clock does. I've read this statement several times but can't find a

Re: [ntp:questions] NTP Pool Server Costs me $40/mo in Bandwidth--is

2014-06-23 Thread Mike S
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