Re: [R] general question on Spotfire

2012-02-16 Thread John Smith
After one month of struggle, I lost confidence on Spotfire, it's totally not user-friendly. Yes it is very good for certain data presentation, but you still need do heavy lifting on data processing by other software. For me, R is the perfect tool and has best user supporting group. I send this

Re: [R] general question on Spotfire

2012-01-15 Thread Uwe Ligges
On 12.01.2012 17:38, Frank Harrell wrote: As a slight aside, Tibco/Spotfire originally planned to provide a capability to load R packages into S-Plus. This always seemed to me to be a hard thing to do, and if my understanding is correct, this proved to be too difficult to do in S-Plus, at

Re: [R] general question on Spotfire

2012-01-15 Thread Frank Harrell
Thanks for your note Uwe. Yes I think a lot of the needed work was related to implementing R functions that many of us use that are not available in S-Plus, plus what to do about plotmath. It wasn't enough to just be able to load the R package. I don't think implementation of the needed R

Re: [R] general question on Spotfire

2012-01-12 Thread Terry Therneau
John, Spotfire is a menu driven data exploration tool, very popular here with biologists who found that their previous Excel based approach doesn't cut it for large data sets. When TIBCO wanted to expand the tool with further quantitative features they made (I think) a bright decision to

Re: [R] general question on Spotfire

2012-01-12 Thread Frank Harrell
As a slight aside, Tibco/Spotfire originally planned to provide a capability to load R packages into S-Plus. This always seemed to me to be a hard thing to do, and if my understanding is correct, this proved to be too difficult to do in S-Plus, at least for large packages such as mine. Frank

[R] general question on Spotfire

2012-01-11 Thread John Smith
Dear R users, I have been using R for 10 years, and I love it very much. But in my daily job for drug discovery, some people use Spotfire. I tried Spotfire on couple of data sets. It sounds I still need do some data manipulation before plot figures. For example, I can not plot figure with data

Re: [R] general question on Spotfire

2012-01-11 Thread Duncan Murdoch
On 12-01-11 10:13 AM, John Smith wrote: Dear R users, I have been using R for 10 years, and I love it very much. But in my daily job for drug discovery, some people use Spotfire. I tried Spotfire on couple of data sets. It sounds I still need do some data manipulation before plot figures. For

Re: [R] general question on Spotfire

2012-01-11 Thread John Smith
I am struggling whether I should learn Spotfire or not. I just want some statisticians inputs. Thanks On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Duncan Murdoch murdoch.dun...@gmail.comwrote: On 12-01-11 10:13 AM, John Smith wrote: Dear R users, I have been using R for 10 years, and I love it very

Re: [R] general question on Spotfire

2012-01-11 Thread peter dalgaard
On Jan 11, 2012, at 16:28 , Duncan Murdoch wrote: On 12-01-11 10:13 AM, John Smith wrote: Dear R users, I have been using R for 10 years, and I love it very much. But in my daily job for drug discovery, some people use Spotfire. I tried Spotfire on couple of data sets. It sounds I still

Re: [R] general question on Spotfire

2012-01-11 Thread Bert Gunter
Peter et. al: 1. I agree with Duncan: wrong list. 2. AFAIK, Spotfire **already** can interface with R. -- Bert On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 8:17 AM, peter dalgaard pda...@gmail.com wrote: On Jan 11, 2012, at 16:28 , Duncan Murdoch wrote: On 12-01-11 10:13 AM, John Smith wrote: Dear R users,

Re: [R] general question on Spotfire

2012-01-11 Thread Louis Bajuk-Yorgan
: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 8:17 AM To: Duncan Murdoch Cc: r-help@r-project.org Subject: Re: [R] general question on Spotfire On Jan 11, 2012, at 16:28 , Duncan Murdoch wrote: On 12-01-11 10:13 AM, John Smith wrote: Dear R users, I have been using R for 10 years, and I love it very much

Re: [R] general question on Spotfire

2012-01-11 Thread Spencer Graves
Roughly 5 years ago, a Spotfire rep at the Joint Statistical Meetings told me they routinely interfaced with both R and S-Plus. I'm not 100% certain, but I believe they have many customers who use that facility today. Spencer On 1/11/2012 10:37 AM, Bert Gunter wrote: Peter et. al: 1. I