Re: [R] iraq statistics - OT

2006-05-23 Thread Gabor Grothendieck
On 5/19/06, Gabor Grothendieck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I came across this one: http://www.nysun.com/article/32787 which says that the violent death rate in Iraq (which presumably includes violent deaths from the war) is lower than the violent death rate in major American cities. Does

Re: [R] iraq statistics - OT

2006-05-23 Thread Gabor Grothendieck
Note that the reference to icasualty.com should be icasualty.org. On 5/23/06, Gabor Grothendieck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/19/06, Gabor Grothendieck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I came across this one: http://www.nysun.com/article/32787 which says that the violent death rate in Iraq

[R] iraq statistics - OT

2006-05-19 Thread Gabor Grothendieck
I came across this one: http://www.nysun.com/article/32787 which says that the violent death rate in Iraq (which presumably includes violent deaths from the war) is lower than the violent death rate in major American cities. Does anyone have any insights from statistics on how to interpret

Re: [R] iraq statistics - OT

2006-05-19 Thread Rolf Turner
Gabor Grothendieck wrote: I came across this one: http://www.nysun.com/article/32787 which says that the violent death rate in Iraq (which presumably includes violent deaths from the war) is lower than the violent death rate in major American cities. Does anyone have any insights

Re: [R] iraq statistics - OT

2006-05-19 Thread Duncan Murdoch
On 5/19/2006 7:54 AM, Gabor Grothendieck wrote: I came across this one: http://www.nysun.com/article/32787 which says that the violent death rate in Iraq (which presumably includes violent deaths from the war) is lower than the violent death rate in major American cities. Does anyone

Re: [R] iraq statistics - OT

2006-05-19 Thread Peter Dalgaard
Rolf Turner [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gabor Grothendieck wrote: I came across this one: http://www.nysun.com/article/32787 which says that the violent death rate in Iraq (which presumably includes violent deaths from the war) is lower than the violent death rate in major

Re: [R] iraq statistics - OT

2006-05-19 Thread Roger D. Peng
I guess it all depends on what you include in the category of violent death. This study is the only one I'm aware of to attempt to address this: http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140673604174412/fulltext (there's a registration but I think it's free, can't remember). -roger

Re: [R] iraq statistics - OT

2006-05-19 Thread Peter Flom
Peter Dalgaard [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5/19/2006 8:41 am wrote They are... Figures like the ones quoted for South Africa, Colombia, New Orleans c generally represent the existence of neighbourhoods with total social and law enforcement breakdown. However, numbers can easily be misleading. I notice

Re: [R] iraq statistics - OT

2006-05-19 Thread Elio Mineo
For what the article says, every country should have a war to have a lower violent death rate!! Gabor Grothendieck wrote: I came across this one: http://www.nysun.com/article/32787 which says that the violent death rate in Iraq (which presumably includes violent deaths from the war) is lower

Re: [R] iraq statistics - OT

2006-05-19 Thread Martin Henry H. Stevens
Though I agree that the violent death rate in US cities is sad, I would also guess that the estimates are relatively accurate. I would also say that the experimental design assumed in the article is potentially badly flawed, with tremendous underreporting in Iraq and meticulous reporting

Re: [R] iraq statistics - OT

2006-05-19 Thread Bob Wheeler
It seems that as time goes by, people including statisticians, forget the past and must re-invent it. Anyone interested should read Richardson's The Statistics of Deadly Quarrels. Volume 2 of The World of Mathematics. The book used to be given out as sort of a cracker-jack prize by book clubs