Re: [R] R vs SPSS
Hi, Le 25 nov. 04, à 13:15, Vito Ricci a écrit : command line) and very usefull and simple to use in I do not know R so much, nor SPSS. Then I appreciate SPSS, because tools are very practical to use. Every transformation, model analysis are easily made. In the other hand, let me say it doesn't run on Mac OS X 10.3 (only on Mac OS X 10.2), then the software editor didn't manage to update its product. R's communauty does. R is really made to make big computations on big servers, that's not SPSS cup of tea. Laurent __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R vs SPSS
Vito Ricci wrote: Dear all, in last weeks you discussed about R vs SAS. I want to ask your opinion about a comparison between R and SPSS. I don't know this software, but some weeks ago I went to a presentation of this product. I found it really user-friendly with GUI (even if I'd prefer command line) and very usefull and simple to use in creation and managing tables, OLAP tecniques, pivot table. What you think about? Cordially Vito What worries me about SPSS is that it often results in poor statistical practice. The defaults in dialog boxes are not very good in some cases, and like SAS, SPSS tends to lead users to make to many assumptions (linearity in regression being one of the key ones). -- Frank E Harrell Jr Professor and Chair School of Medicine Department of Biostatistics Vanderbilt University __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
RE: [R] R vs SPSS
Vito, I use SPSS mainly for descriptive analysis (tables, graphs, factor analysis..) and for data manipulation (you can see your data and verify/control each step of your manipulation), mainly exploring the analysis I need to develop in R (advanced clustering modelling, simulations..). SPSS huge worry : ITS VALUE.. Just actualize the annual fees .. If you have a lot of data manipulation and table/easy graphs production, you can consider it.. For statistical issues, spend the money into R trainings and R contribution Best regards Naji -Message d'origine- De : [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] la part de Frank E Harrell Jr Envoyé : jeudi 25 novembre 2004 15:57 À : Vito Ricci Cc : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : Re: [R] R vs SPSS Vito Ricci wrote: Dear all, in last weeks you discussed about R vs SAS. I want to ask your opinion about a comparison between R and SPSS. I don't know this software, but some weeks ago I went to a presentation of this product. I found it really user-friendly with GUI (even if I'd prefer command line) and very usefull and simple to use in creation and managing tables, OLAP tecniques, pivot table. What you think about? Cordially Vito What worries me about SPSS is that it often results in poor statistical practice. The defaults in dialog boxes are not very good in some cases, and like SAS, SPSS tends to lead users to make to many assumptions (linearity in regression being one of the key ones). -- Frank E Harrell Jr Professor and Chair School of Medicine Department of Biostatistics Vanderbilt University __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R vs SPSS
Frank E Harrell Jr wrote: What worries me about SPSS is that it often results in poor statistical practice. The defaults in dialog boxes are not very good in some cases, and like SAS, SPSS tends to lead users to make to many assumptions (linearity in regression being one of the key ones). -- Frank E Harrell Jr Professor and Chair School of Medicine Department of Biostatistics Vanderbilt University __ My worry about SPSS is that it encourages people to do analysis and dataset manipulation 'on-the-fly', without leaving behind an audit trail that can be used to reconstruct the dataset and results. Certainly, SPSS has a 'paste' button which allows you to save a 'syntax' file of commands, but most users appear to ignore it. And post-hoc editing of graphs and tables cannot be saved thus (unless I'm missing out something here). -- Ronan M Conroy ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Senior Lecturer in Biostatistics Royal College of Surgeons Dublin 2, Ireland +353 1 402 2431 (fax 2764) Just say no to drug reps http://www.nofreelunch.org/ __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
Re: [R] R vs SPSS
As I started out using SPSS when there was no GUI (in fact, no interactive interface at all), I automatically open up the syntax editing window when I have to use it. It's a workable text editor, you can run all or part of the code at will, and build up a code file in much the same way as R. On the other hand, it does encourage the user who has not taken Pope to heart (A little learning...) to put their data through a high-powered analysis while convincing themselves that they know what they are doing. I confess to having done it more than once in the past. It was when I began reviewing other researcher's papers, and thinking 'This guy didn't know what he was doing.' and then, 'And you've done it too, brother.' that I resolved to be more circumspect. Jim __ [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list https://stat.ethz.ch/mailman/listinfo/r-help PLEASE do read the posting guide! http://www.R-project.org/posting-guide.html
