Hi Diego,

If your tree has polytomies and the branches have no length information, I am 
not sure if likelihood model-based reconstruction is right.

The ace function (and all other similar functions based on likelihood) will 
assume that your branch lengths represent some kind biological information 
(usually time), and the degree to which characters evolve will be related to 
the branch length. I therefore might prefer parsimony in this situation to get 
a general sense of what is going on.

As an experiment, you could assign all branches to be equal (e.g. = 1), but 
then you are imposing this assumption on the analysis. In order to evaluate the 
effects of this assumption, and if you are specifically interested in 
reconstructing the ancestral states for a particular node, you could generate a 
few sets of simulated branch lengths (which you could then pass to ace), to see 
if the reconstruction is robust to a range of variation in branch lengths. You 
could also replicate using multi2di to see how robust your reconstruction is to 
alternative resolutions.

Best,
Jake


> On Sep 15, 2021, at 2:16 AM, Diego Almeida-Silva 
> <silva.diego.alme...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Dear colleagues,
> 
> I am trying to estimate ancestral states for two binary characters in a
> full morphology-based phylogenetic tree. I am using ace function,
> type="discrete" and kappa=0 as arguments. Unfortunately, I am dealing with
> two problems about this issue: my topology have three polytomies and tree
> branches have no lengths.
> 
> To perform ancestral state estimation, I firstly used the multi2di
> function. However, this procedure creates artificial nodes in the topology.
> This becomes a new problem, since states at these new nodes are also being
> estimated.
> 
> Is there another way to deal with this situation? There are functions (or
> packages) other than those of phytools that are able to deal with
> polytomies and the absence of branch lengths in ancestral state
> reconstruction?
> 
> Thanks in advance!
> Diego
> 
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