Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

Greetings. On 25 Jun 2017, at 2:37, Vincent St-Amour wrote: We (the RacketCon organizers) have decided to adopt the SNAPL code of conduct (based on the ACM's) for RacketCon. You can find it on the RacketCon web page[1]. A excellent choice: pretty near unexceptionable. Except (typo-level

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

All, Thank you all for your comments, and thank you Claire and Leif for bringing this to our attention. We (the RacketCon organizers) have decided to adopt the SNAPL code of conduct (based on the ACM's) for RacketCon. You can find it on the RacketCon web page[1]. Hope to see you all in Seattle!

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

I'm strongly in favor. We could evaluate this simply as a "community development and marketing" proposition: 1. We want more people using Racket. 2. We want more people at RacketCon. 3. A familiar CoC will welcome more people. Framed that way, I think even _I_ could blurt out the answer fast

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

programming languages ~Leif Andersen On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 12:08 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote: > On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 08:02:44PM -0400, Neil Van Dyke wrote: > > One, > > relatively light, example: many people assume that everyone at a > conference > > doesn't mind being

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 08:02:44PM -0400, Neil Van Dyke wrote: > One, > relatively light, example: many people assume that everyone at a conference > doesn't mind being photographed and tagged in Facebook and such, but I've > heard from a few PL people who absolutely do mind, to the point that

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

I agree with Matthias here, this mailing list should absolutely remain civil. I want to thank everyone for their feedback so far. It seems we have reached a fix point as to what the community wants wrt a CoC. I am inclined to that at this point we should hand it off to the main RacketCon

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

In an attempt to be more "scientific" about this I would point to the writing and actions of some other prominent language communities, as they have made the argument FOR having a CoC much better than I could. Before that, I think we (as practitioners and members of a technical community)

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

Everyone: this discussion is the first time that we have a rough tone on this mailing list, and this tone is inappropriate. I am appealing to both sides to cool it down. We (the organizers and old people of this community) appreciate all non-emotional input. Science and science

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

On 06/17/2017 01:50 PM, Matthias Felleisen wrote: A code of conduct is a totally stupid idea for RacketCon. Racketeers were raised properly by their parents and are well behaved. I really hate attending conferences that need to impose a code. I think you might be reading something in to this

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

I think this thread has gotten delightfully meta, in that I've heard that some people who would like to contribute in forums get scared away when observing interaction styles that they find very confrontational. Not that I always remember this myself, and I also make other mistakes, but...

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

If by whiskey, Jack. Your guarantees on this matter are unenforceable and therefore meaningless, and any further comment on my ignorance will likely violate any CoC you care to throw your weight behind, so best get it out now because you can't unring this bell. On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 8:08 PM,

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

> These are invariably motte and bailey style arguments and the notion that the > only reason I or anyone else could possibly resent CoCs is some desire to > abuse their absence is astonishing. How you could not find such groupthink > "censorious" is beyond my ability to sympathize with. I can

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

This is not my call, but in the traditional Racket convention of everyone voicing thoughts... One gentle way to communicate awareness and intent of inclusiveness: "The Racket community enjoys and appreciates a collegial and helpful atmosphere, in which everyone feels welcome. We expect

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

>Bluntly, if someone finds the admonition to refrain from harassment "censorious", then it is likely they are exactly the sort of person that a Code of Conduct is in fact *designed* to make feel unwelcome. These are invariably motte and bailey style arguments and the notion that the only reason I

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

> > The problem with the longer text, such as the Strange Loop one[1], is that > it's manifestly _very_ hard to come up with a text that doesn't radiate > censoriousness; and however much this isn't the literal implication of the > text, it does implant the notion that the reader or the community

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

I would suggest that it is more important to get a COC on the RacketCon website than it is to argue over the wording. I would suggest that every day that passes without a CoC on the website adds to the risk that possible racketcon participants might decide not to go... to the detriment of the

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

Greetings. On 19 Jun 2017, at 16:18, John Berry wrote: Nothing about a document saying "hey, don't be an ass" implies that the reader themselves, or the community, are asses. Only that the community values not being an ass, and those who might wish to join that community and not be an ass

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

I will always 100% support the adoption of a CoC drafted by people with experience in dealing with discrimination, harassment, and toxic behaviour. It is impossible to understate just how much gets swept under the rug without one, and increasingly, the lack of one itself tends to attract toxic

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

I used to run a Meetup in NYC called "Hack and Tell." For the first 5 years or something I kind of expected people to just be nice to each other, and do the right thing. Then, I started having private conversations with people, some women, some POC, and realized they had bad interactions that I

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

If men were angels... +1 for a CoC. On Sat, Jun 17, 2017 at 09:50:53PM +0300, Matthias Felleisen wrote: > > A code of conduct is a totally stupid idea for RacketCon. Racketeers were > raised properly by their parents and are well behaved. I really hate > attending conferences that need to

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

I'm with Claire 100%. I think the code of conduct proposed as a starting point is completely reasonable. So, "+1." Cheers, Matt On Sun, Jun 18, 2017 at 12:07 PM, claire alvis wrote: > On Saturday, June 17, 2017 at 2:53:23 PM UTC-4, Matthias Felleisen wrote: > > A code

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

On Saturday, June 17, 2017 at 2:53:23 PM UTC-4, Matthias Felleisen wrote: > A code of conduct is a totally stupid idea for RacketCon. Racketeers were > raised properly by their parents and are well behaved. I really hate > attending conferences that need to impose a code. Not all people at the

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

As a middle-aged white heterosexual male I've never needed a COC. It is my understanding that clear COCs (that are enforced) are valuable in that they reduce the both the incidence and impact of discrimination and harassment. Kind regards Stephen On Sat, 17 Jun 2017 at 19:53, Matthias

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

I don't believe virtue signaling can ever substitute for actual virtue. If, however, a failure to signal virtue is interpreted as a vice, then this is a sticky situation indeed. There is the argument that if everyone behaved we wouldn't need laws, but there is also the argument that people still

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

Unfortunately, event "codes of conduct" started, in part, as reactions to actual bad behavior at some (non-Racket) events. I agree that RacketCon doesn't need a code of conduct to tell people how to behave. But people relatively new to Racket might not know that. Hence, the conventional

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

+1 for a code of conduct from me. Although I can only rarely attend RacketCon (coming from Australia) codes of conduct seem to have had a net positive effect at local conferences: enhancing inclusivity and tone. Perhaps one day such codes can be optimized away, but in the present day requiring

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

A code of conduct is a totally stupid idea for RacketCon. Racketeers were raised properly by their parents and are well behaved. I really hate attending conferences that need to impose a code. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group.

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

Good point. The Strange Loop policy looks OK to me. Another one I think is OK is FSF LibrePlanet's. Racket is an usually good community (which is the biggest reason I'm here), and I really don't expect any problem at RacketCon. But I know that these kinds of policies have been necessary

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

I agree that we should have one. - Sam Caldwell On Fri, Jun 16, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Stephen De Gabrielle < spdegabrie...@gmail.com> wrote: > Awesome. (It's an opinion) > > On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 at 19:48, Alexis King wrote: > >> +1 from me. I think the Strange Loop CoC is a

Re: [racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

Awesome. (It's an opinion) On Fri, 16 Jun 2017 at 19:48, Alexis King wrote: > +1 from me. I think the Strange Loop CoC is a good one to emulate. > > > On Jun 16, 2017, at 11:44 AM, Leif Andersen > > wrote: > > > > RacketCon 2017 should have a code

[racket-users] RacketCon Code of Conduct

RacketCon 2017 should have a code of conduct, as pointed out by Claire on twitter [1], and I absolutely agree. It doesn't have to be anything fancy, and can be a fairly standard one. Although we are not co-located with Strange Loop this year, they have a fairly sensible one that we could use [2],