Re: [racket-users] Re: Smalltalk (Was: Why is there a space in the path to the Racket application on MacOSX?)

2018-04-01 Thread Neil Van Dyke

Geoffrey Knauth wrote on 04/01/2018 11:53 PM:
I don't see why there couldn't be a Racket Machine.  People could live 
in it the way people live in Emacs and get so much done and have their 
ice cream too.


BTW, if someone wants the novelty of a kind of mock-up of booting into a 
Racket Machine, you can rig up your own Debian Live distro to boot a 
stripped-down GNU/Linux that launches your Racket process. (I have done 
this before, which is why there's a scary Racket package for 
repartitioning your hard disk, "http://www.neilvandyke.org/racket/parted/;.)


User experience-wise, you might wind up with an environment that builds 
upon DrRacket, to incorporate elements of the more dynamic environments 
of Lisp machines, Smalltalk, and Emacs.


Of course, a Racket Machine might also eventually have an operating 
system kernel or hardware architecture that was designed for its needs.  
In the interim, Debian Live lets you pretend that you do.


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[racket-users] Re: Smalltalk (Was: Why is there a space in the path to the Racket application on MacOSX?)

2018-04-01 Thread Geoffrey Knauth
On Sunday, April 1, 2018 at 9:53:45 PM UTC-4, Neil Van Dyke wrote:
>
> A bonus of reading old Smalltalk-80 stuff is that you get exposed to a 
> bit of some of the best and most optimistic visionary thinking about 
> information technology, when people had grand ideas for how computers 
> could elevate everyone (spoilers: it wasn't about a couple billionaire 
> 'social' dotcom founders seizing power over everyone, and CS students 
> weren't thinking like startup MBAs). 
>

Amen to that.  For fun I'd love to see Alan Kay play with DrRacket, then 
pick his brain.  I run into clumps of Smalltalk people in unexpected 
places, such as at SIGGRAPH.  For your Smalltalk-in-Racket implementation 
idea, the key is how you start out the project.  If it starts right, it can 
grow naturally.  Smalltalk and the Lisp Machine had some similarities.  I 
don't see why there couldn't be a Racket Machine.  People could live in it 
the way people live in Emacs and get so much done and have their ice cream 
too.

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