Re: [racket-users] Racket / [B]SL / HTDP in a workshop context
John Clements writes: >> Do you mean as opposed to a more popular language like Python or >> JavaScript? Or in some other regard (like building GUI apps)? > > The former, yes. Not saying you can’t handle this, but it’s something > to be aware of. Especially because you’re using a language called > “Beginning Student Language.” That name is clear and transparent and > honest, and maybe the world has moved past this kind of ignorance, but > I think a bit of planning might not go amiss. > Thanks for bringing this up. I was thinking about this before; all I can think of at the momemnt is to do my best to communicate in advance the intent of the workshop? To emphasize the fact that this is not going to be about Python or JavaScript specifically (and not Scratch either). -- Yury Bulka https://mamot.fr/@setthemfree #NotOnFacebook -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/87mtyhb9kp.fsf%40privacyrequired.com.
Re: [racket-users] Racket / [B]SL / HTDP in a workshop context
> 1) “authenticity”; will the participants feel that programming in > Racket is “real” programming? Do you mean as opposed to a more popular language like Python or JavaScript? Or in some other regard (like building GUI apps)? -- Yury Bulka https://mamot.fr/@setthemfree #NotOnFacebook John Clements writes: > In that case, I would think carefully about > > 1) “authenticity”; will the participants feel that programming in Racket is > “real” programming? > 2) How you’d like the participants to engage with the material after the > workshop. Their motivation and time availability are both likely to be low > (well, maybe that’s just my own experience :)) > > John > >> On Dec 12, 2020, at 11:39, Yury Bulka >> wrote: >> >> Thanks for the feedback. In my case, most likely, the participants will >> be around 16-22 years old, no particular specialisation but curious >> about programming. >> >> -- >> Yury Bulka >> https://mamot.fr/@setthemfree >> #NotOnFacebook >> >> >> >> John Clements writes: >> >>> My opinion: it depends on lots of things, but I think the biggest one is >>> the makeup of your audience. If they’re (say) a bunch of retired >>> accountants that are passionate about understanding how programs work and >>> have lots of time to follow up after your sessions and possibly some >>> “office hours” after the fact, I think you might “click” with ten to twenty >>> percent of them. >>> >>> This probably goes without saying, but in three sessions, you’re not going >>> to be building expertise; you’re (hopefully) going to be building the >>> excitement and laying the foundation for them to learn on their own. >>> >>> All just my opinions, of course! >>> >>> John >>> On Dec 12, 2020, at 04:15, Yury Bulka wrote: Dear Racket community, I'm wondering whether any guidelines / methodology exist out there on using Racket and/or the student languages as a learning environment in a workshop context (specifically aimed at introducing non-programmers to programming and problem solving in a HTDP spirit). The idea of such a hypothetical workshop is to have two or three sessions with a small group (5-7 participants), and to reach a point in the end where they are comfortable with reasoning about the how a program evaluates and how to use functions to encapsulate simple problems and solutions, possibly in this 5-step process: http://htdp.org/2020-8-1/Book/part_preface.html#%28counter._%28figure._fig~3athe-design-recipe%29%29 Is this too ambitious plan at all? Does it require _way_ more time or is it doable? Thank you for any thoughts, -- Yury Bulka https://mamot.fr/@setthemfree #NotOnFacebook -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/878sa3cj9q.fsf%40privacyrequired.com. >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/87tusqbuc6.fsf%40privacyrequired.com.
Re: [racket-users] Racket / [B]SL / HTDP in a workshop context
Thanks for the feedback. In my case, most likely, the participants will be around 16-22 years old, no particular specialisation but curious about programming. -- Yury Bulka https://mamot.fr/@setthemfree #NotOnFacebook John Clements writes: > My opinion: it depends on lots of things, but I think the biggest one is the > makeup of your audience. If they’re (say) a bunch of retired accountants that > are passionate about understanding how programs work and have lots of time to > follow up after your sessions and possibly some “office hours” after the > fact, I think you might “click” with ten to twenty percent of them. > > This probably goes without saying, but in three sessions, you’re not going to > be building expertise; you’re (hopefully) going to be building the excitement > and laying the foundation for them to learn on their own. > > All just my opinions, of course! > > John > >> On Dec 12, 2020, at 04:15, Yury Bulka >> wrote: >> >> Dear Racket community, >> >> I'm wondering whether any guidelines / methodology exist out there on >> using Racket and/or the student languages as a learning environment in a >> workshop context (specifically aimed at introducing non-programmers to >> programming and problem solving in a HTDP spirit). >> >> The idea of such a hypothetical workshop is to have two or three >> sessions with a small group (5-7 participants), and to reach a point in >> the end where they are comfortable with reasoning about the how a >> program evaluates and how to use functions to encapsulate simple >> problems and solutions, possibly in this 5-step process: >> http://htdp.org/2020-8-1/Book/part_preface.html#%28counter._%28figure._fig~3athe-design-recipe%29%29 >> >> Is this too ambitious plan at all? Does it require _way_ more time or is >> it doable? >> >> Thank you for any thoughts, >> -- >> Yury Bulka >> https://mamot.fr/@setthemfree >> #NotOnFacebook >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Racket Users" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/878sa3cj9q.fsf%40privacyrequired.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Racket Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to racket-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/racket-users/87y2i2byqi.fsf%40privacyrequired.com.
