RE: [RC] Amazon Health >>> Reflactions on Reality
Billy, Excellent reflection on evil. Indeed, a world with out evil is impossible, thanks to the fall in the Garden. Nevertheless, there is a lot of good in the world. I like to think that the balance is shifting in favor of good, over time. But the darkness that has accompanied the current administration makes me believe that there is a setback. Hopefully, it is short term. Chris From: radicalcentrism@googlegroups.com [mailto:radicalcentrism@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Billy Rojas Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 11:38 PM To: radicalcentrism@googlegroups.com Cc: radicalcentrism@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [RC] Amazon Health >>> Reflactions on Reality Reflections on Reality It must be nice to live in a world where evil never needs to be confronted and defeated. Alas, that is not the world I live in. To be sure, like Chris, I moved to a location where, in fact, confronting evil is not an obvious everyday need. Eugene is, in many ways, an idyllic university town. Crime here is minimal; murders are rare and those that get reported usually are committed by outcasts -lower class whites who happen to be alcoholics or druggies, blacks who somehow gravitated to this neck of the woods and who have never left behind their inner city values, etc. The last thing I need is worry about are street hoodlums or ethnic gangs or loan sharks who prey on unfortunates and cause trouble generally. That is, the kind of stuff which large cities are often identified with hardly exist hereabouts. Whole categories of evil simply do not need to be confronted in Eugene. For all practical purposes such evil does not exist in this middle class 'utopia.' This seems to be true in parts of California also, like most of Silicon Valley. This probably is the case, as well, in the nicer parts of Cleveland. But allow me to play "devil's advocate." A world with no evil in it is pure illusion; it simply cannot exist. Why? Because Satan exists, because we are unable to escape the reach of sin, because we are imperfect, because we are a suit of clothes removed from the law of the jungle and human immorality. This is too cynical, of course, but to set the stage, to paint a mood, to make a point. To me we are always like Syria in 2010, the year before the "Arab Spring" and the start of the civil war that has torn that country apart and resulted in countless dispossessed people, hundred of thousands killed, widespread lawlessness, rival armies fighting it out. Substitute the Balkans in the 1990s, parts of India today, East Africa a decade ago, or turf wars in contemporary LA or Chicago. Which is a long way to say that I greatly admire something of the work everyone in the group is doing. For example, in a parallel world I'd drive to Montana and look up Chris; it is obvious that he is on to something and, for one, I'd love to learn what he is learning from a Navy Seal. Yet I have known a couple of Army "Pathfinders" and they aren't too different than Seals and this tells me that what Chris has already found is an intersection of his world with the world of someone who knows evil up close and personal. So the question for everyone is simple: Where, in your calculus, does evil fit in? In some cases I don't see any allowance at all for the reality of evil and how to deal with it. And what IS evil? For sure it is far more than street gangs or violent political dictators or even ideologies like Nazism or various forms of Communism. For the life of me I am at a loss about how anyone here defines evil. One thing, a good definition really would require a serious essay at least 10 pages long. At a minimum if would need to be 100 items long. To use just one example, sadism is an evil. Yet libertarians insist that it is not as long as the participants agree to to torture and humiliate each other willingly. To me that kind of outlook, finding justifications for evil, is another evil. But so is not doing anything that matters when confronted with evil an evil itself. You can see how knotted up the problem of evil actually is. It is also pervasive, it is everywhere, even in Eugene or Montana. Yet who has any kind of thorough-going philosophy of identifying and dealing with evil? During bad days, all too many days lately given my medical woes, I think that no-one here has any concept of evil at all. As if RC was a philosophy conceived by Frank Baum while he was creating the story of Dorothy and the land of Oz. The point about Syria is that one day a family was concerned about their kids doing well in school, the next day the school was blown to bits in an artillery barrage. All of a sudden the family's priorities were 'revolutionized.' This applies just as well to someone living on a ranch in cowboy country or
Re: [RC] Amazon Health >>> Reflactions on Reality
Reflections on Reality It must be nice to live in a world where evil never needs to be confronted and defeated. Alas, that is not the world I live in. To be sure, like Chris, I moved to a location where, in fact, confronting evil is not an obvious everyday need. Eugene is, in many ways, an idyllic university town. Crime here is minimal; murders are rare and those that get reported usually are committed by outcasts -lower class whites who happen to be alcoholics or druggies, blacks who somehow gravitated to this neck of the woods and who have never left behind their inner city values, etc. The last thing I need is worry about are street hoodlums or ethnic gangs or loan sharks who prey on unfortunates and cause trouble generally. That is, the kind of stuff which large cities are often identified with hardly exist hereabouts. Whole categories of evil simply do not need to be confronted in Eugene. For all practical purposes such evil does not exist in this middle class 'utopia.' This seems to be true in parts of California also, like most of Silicon Valley. This probably is the case, as well, in the nicer parts of Cleveland. But allow me to play "devil's advocate." A world with no evil in it is pure illusion; it simply cannot exist. Why? Because Satan exists, because we are unable to escape the reach of sin, because we are imperfect, because we are a suit of clothes removed from the law of the jungle and human immorality. This is too cynical, of course, but to set the stage, to paint a mood, to make a point. To me we are always like Syria in 2010, the year before the "Arab Spring" and the start of the civil war that has torn that country apart and resulted in countless dispossessed people, hundred of thousands killed, widespread lawlessness, rival armies fighting it out. Substitute the Balkans in the 1990s, parts of India today, East Africa a decade ago, or turf wars in contemporary LA or Chicago. Which is a long way to say that I greatly admire something of the work everyone in the group is doing. For example, in a parallel world I'd drive to Montana and look up Chris; it is obvious that he is on to something and, for one, I'd love to learn what he is learning from a Navy Seal. Yet I have known a couple of Army "Pathfinders" and they aren't too different than Seals and this tells me that what Chris has already found is an intersection of his world with the world of someone who knows evil up close and personal. So the question for everyone is simple: Where, in your calculus, does evil fit in? In some cases I don't see any allowance at all for the reality of evil and how to deal with it. And what IS evil? For sure it is far more than street gangs or violent political dictators or even ideologies like Nazism or various forms of Communism. For the life of me I am at a loss about how anyone here defines evil. One thing, a good definition really would require a serious essay at least 10 pages long. At a minimum if would need to be 100 items long. To use just one example, sadism is an evil. Yet libertarians insist that it is not as long as the participants agree to to torture and humiliate each other willingly. To me that kind of outlook, finding justifications for evil, is another evil. But so is not doing anything that matters when confronted with evil an evil itself. You can see how knotted up the problem of evil actually is. It is also pervasive, it is everywhere, even in Eugene or Montana. Yet who has any kind of thorough-going philosophy of identifying and dealing with evil? During bad days, all too many days lately given my medical woes, I think that no-one here has any concept of evil at all. As if RC was a philosophy conceived by Frank Baum while he was creating the story of Dorothy and the land of Oz. The point about Syria is that one day a family was concerned about their kids doing well in school, the next day the school was blown to bits in an artillery barrage. All of a sudden the family's priorities were 'revolutionized.' This applies just as well to someone living on a ranch in cowboy country or a senior citizen who loves to grumble about philosophical issues or a younger man doing his best to climb the ladder of success. a parable. from Rev. Billy From: radicalcentrism@googlegroups.com on behalf of Chris Hahn Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 7:49 PM To: RadicalCentrism@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [RC] Amazon Health I heard a good article on this today. I am with you, I wouldn’t bet against those guys. -Original Message- From: radicalcentrism@googlegroups.com [mailto:radicalcentrism@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Centroids Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 12:52 PM To: Centroids Discussions Subject: [RC] Amazon Health Dang. I’m not one to bet against both Bezos and Buffet. Politics was disrupted by the Intern
