All this hang-wringing about the Atlantis.
Yes, it's a fabulous frame design; and yes, I'll admit I lusted after
one for YEARS but could not afford it. These days, I'm sitting on two
very nice lugged steel frames -- both Schwinns, both recently acquired
-- and am contemplating what I'll do with t
Oh yeah, I saw the lion coming out of White Wolf before Yosemite
Institute.
Gary
On Aug 20, 6:51 pm, Ray Shine wrote:
> Gary -- Thanks for the link. I have backpacked extensively through that
> region over the past three decades. I have seen many, many bears in that
> time, but only one moun
Hi Ray,
Ditto with my mtn. lion report. The Ranger didn't say much except how
lucky I was to see one.
As far as riding narrow mtn roads in and around the forest and parks,
I'm comfortable with it. I have taken the Road 1 safety classes
offerred by the League and the lessons learned from the prog
Curious what pedal/shoe combo you used on this tour.
Thanks.
Ray
--- On Thu, 8/20/09, usuk2007 wrote:
From: usuk2007
Subject: [RBW] Re: Anyone ever do a cross state tour on a quickbeam
To: "RBW Owners Bunch"
Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 9:03 PM
The Quickbeam is great for touring. I jus
FYI my gearing was 40/32 upfront with a 16/18 White industries
freewheel on one side and a 22t freewheel on the other side.
I used 40x16 90% of the time and changed down to 32x22 for the slog up
onto the North Yorkshire Moors.
On Aug 21, 12:03 am, usuk2007 wrote:
> The Quickbeam is great for to
The Quickbeam is great for touring. I just did a tour the length of
England on mine, go for it!
http://wheelsofchance.org/england-2009/
On Aug 16, 9:23 pm, johnb wrote:
> I am thnking about cycle across NC on it. Might have rocks in my head.
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On Aug 20, 3:47 pm, James Warren wrote:
> If the Atlantis were made in Taiwan, perhaps its lugs would be plainer...
Why would the lugs have to change? IIRC all of Riv's lugs have been
their own unique designs, and they're already cast in Taiwan.
The value of a Riv-designed bike is in the desig
I did the ride last year on my Rambouillet and it was fine. I was
thinking about getting a 18t or 16t and have the REI boys swap it out
once we are out of the mountains on day 2 (assuming it is like last
year where the first day started hilly and then was rolling and day 2
was all rolling).
I am
FWIW, I will have a small tool bag in back and a Berthoud handlebar
bag in front. Probably 3lbs of gear plus my fat ass... I am carrying a
camera, phone, wallet, and any 'fall' gear that gets stripped off in
the afternoon. Probably not more than 3 lbs total.
On Aug 18, 5:11 pm, Dave Craig wrote:
i'm thinking it will be relatively easy to go taiwanese for the next
"atlantis." grant obviously is a man of loyalty to those who do great
work. if the toyo relationship is ending, i expect grant will attempt
to align more with maxway or whoever does the quality work upon which
his reputation is
Amen.
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Horace wrote:
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/products/list/clothing?a=1&page=3#product=22-584
>
> "Rivendell
> Still lugged steel.
> Vindication will come.
> Just you wait."
>
> >
>
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And they play in all steel constructed Comerica Park, too.
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I've always liked following the Tigers.
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Yeah! That's a good idea. Maybe get a cash-for-clunkers thing going too! Like
$500 for any Chinese, Vietnamese, or Taiwanese frame turned in for a new MUSA
frame. (Incidentally, I've always liked following the Tigers. One of the
great old-time teams.)
--- On Thu, 8/20/09, tdusky wrote:
Fro
Oops folks, that was intended for Phil. I hope that wasn't too offensive to
anyone. My intent was not to say anything about pricing since this is the
RBW list, after all.
Red faced,
Doug
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:55 PM, Doug Van Cleve wrote:
> Phil!
>
> How are you? Sorry I haven't made it
Phil!
How are you? Sorry I haven't made it out for any rides since what was it,
May? I really have had good intentions, just lack inertia or something...
Are you guys still riding? If yes, when are you starting and where would be
my best place to catch you?
So you like the HIllborne, huh? I t
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Still lugged steel.
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Just you wait."
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Gary -- Thanks for the link. I have backpacked extensively through that region
over the past three decades. I have seen many, many bears in that time, but
only one mountain lion - and it scared the heck out of me! It was in Kings
Canyon about three years ago, quite near upper Crabtree Meadow
Jim, I'll +1 your comment. That weird upward-sloping-top-tube Hillborne is
the nicest frame I've ever tour-pedaled. Wonderful bike. I still think it's
ugly.
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'd say that the Hillborne is more than adeq
I think this is a great opportunity for MUSA frames!
I know just the place to locate the factory. There is a great history
of manufacturing with plenty of inexpensive places to locate. The cost
of living is the one of lowest in the country. The ground does not
shake, it does not burn, it does not
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:50 PM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
thill@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'd say that the Hillborne is more than adequate for the "loaded
> touring" most of us do most of the time. If you overload the SH,
> chances are you're bringing way more than you need.
>
>
>
How much
OMFG. now isn't that an enlightened retro offering from a giant bike
conglomerate?
gimme some bar end shifters and some plump tires and you gotta bike.
some interesting geometry and the 58 comes with a 19 cm headtube,
quill to get the bars where they need to be. cool.
On Aug 20, 4:54 pm, Gino
I agree. If the bike is spec'd the same and probably painted the same why not
just add the version number. This goes for the QB as well and any other bike
they sell. These are Riv designed bikes not Toyo so the name can go with the
bike. Now if there is a substantial change in design of the
Not unlike
http://www.fujibikes.com/LifeStyle/ClassicSeries/Absolute10.aspx
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:39 PM, James Warren wrote:
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
>>
>>
>> This curious specimen surfaced on a cycling forum, with the following
>> details at a supposed MSRP of $610:
>>
>>
>> FRAME S
> What's interesting is that Waterford builds single-speed frames for
> Ben's Cycles in Milwaukee, and they're like $500 (with fork).
Good tubes are expensive, lugs are expensive, Silver is expensive
(brass not so much), and paying someone with the skill to stick it all
together is expensive. A
on 8/20/09 2:28 PM, Dustin Sharp at dsh...@runbox.com wrote:
> Anyone know who else Toyo is building for? How much of a hit would losing
> the Atlantis contract be to their business?
As an infrequent reader of the Toyo blog translation, I'd come to the
opinion that they have begun gaining signifi
Hi Ray & Don,
Here is the route at mapmyride.
http://www.mapmyride.com/ride/united-states/ca/sierra-mountains/317186114301
I did the route in reverse from what I originally planned and stopped
in Sequoia NP. I almost was unable to go due to time availability so I
did the route in reverse and had
What's interesting is that Waterford builds single-speed frames for
Ben's Cycles in Milwaukee, and they're like $500 (with fork). Granted
you can't get much customization, and they're TIG'ed, and I'm sure
they don't get the same loving attention that an officially Waterford
frame does, but still -
Given the current trend in Riv names, wouldn't we have to re-baptize it
something along the lines of the:
Boyd Q. Packer
Or maybe the
Hill-n'-Dale-eo
> From: James Warren
> Reply-To:
> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 16:10:15 -0700
> To:
> Subject: [RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
>
>
>
> On Au
On Aug 20, 2009, at 3:06 PM, JGS wrote:
>
> And why spend all this time
> developing a reputation around a name and then just abandon it?
Exactly!
Also, "Atlantis 3" is a very good idea.
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Why not just call it the Atlantis 3 and make it in Taiwan? As opposed
to the current Atlantis 2. Seems a shame to not have any 26 inch
wheeled bikes available in the line. And why spend all this time
developing a reputation around a name and then just abandon it?
Especially when it's the least
Ray,
I am still gathering information and have not settled on a particular
route. I think that the Krebs maps are maybe the best resource. I am
ordering one and will also check with AAA. As things develop I 'll be
glad to share with you.
Don
On Aug 20, 1:59 pm, Ray Shine wrote:
> Don - do you ha
If the Atlantis were made in Taiwan, perhaps its lugs would be plainer
and its fork bend would not be as lovely and there might be other
things that make it less wonderful than the Toyo Atlantis, and as such,
its price would be lower, ya' know, priced like the Hillborne. It would
be a great de
I'd say that the Hillborne is more than adequate for the "loaded
touring" most of us do most of the time. If you overload the SH,
chances are you're bringing way more than you need.
On Aug 20, 2:43 pm, Solomander wrote:
> I can understand why they are being discontinued- Toyo made frames are
> p
Mike DeSalvo will build you a custom lugged steel frame for $2k He's
been building for ten years now.
Not long enough?
Mark Nobilette is not a "young talent" and quite capable in this arena
a well. Again full custom lugged steel touring bike for around $2k I
think it was Mark who built the Lego
I think just moving the production to Taiwan creates a few issues--
do you charge the same price? Do you charge less? How would your
existing customers feel who paid more? Or how many $2000 Taiwanese
frames could you sell. I also see issues with having them made in the
US. It is tough to be the m
Anyone know who else Toyo is building for? How much of a hit would losing
the Atlantis contract be to their business?
I agree $2300 for a stock Toyo frame is just too much given all the options
out there--seems like Grant knows it too!
> From: James Warren
> Reply-To:
> Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009
> and if one is willing to support the young talent out there who don't
> quite have the reputation yet, $2,300 will certainly buy lugs too ;)
There are risks going with young talent. Some are willing to take the
risk. Others don't want to spend the time, effort and money only to
wind up with a
On Aug 20, 4:35 pm, Steve Palincsar wrote:
> Given all this, I'm inclined to think a $2300 Toyo-built production
> frame is just plain overpriced.
+1. there's just too many really, really good domestic options at that
price point.
and if one is willing to support the young talent out there w
I hope this is premature. I hope that if production could be moved to
Taiwan that Rivendell would continue to call the bike "Atlantis" with
the same graphics. It's probably their most consistent and widely known
product, with many satisfied riders. All bikes in the Rivendell line
are expendabl
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:51 PM, JoelMatthews wrote:
>
>> Maybe it's time for someone to start up an
>> enterprise like that again, or at least some sort of collective where
>> a handful of builders can share a common marketing and office
>> operation.
>
> In the Bay area you have Inglis, Bruce Go
> Maybe it's time for someone to start up an
> enterprise like that again, or at least some sort of collective where
> a handful of builders can share a common marketing and office
> operation.
In the Bay area you have Inglis, Bruce Gordon and Sycip (maybe other)
designing and building their own
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:31 PM, Bill Connell wrote:
>
> On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:09 PM, MichaelH wrote:
> >
> > I think it's a mistake to build an entire business strategy on the
> > assumption that exchange rates will always work in your favor. If
> > Riv. wants to continue to offer affordabl
On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 13:09 -0700, MichaelH wrote:
> I think it's a mistake to build an entire business strategy on the
> assumption that exchange rates will always work in your favor. If
> Riv. wants to continue to offer affordable, quality, lugged frames it
> needs to begin to develop on shore
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 3:09 PM, MichaelH wrote:
>
> I think it's a mistake to build an entire business strategy on the
> assumption that exchange rates will always work in your favor. If
> Riv. wants to continue to offer affordable, quality, lugged frames it
> needs to begin to develop on shore
on 8/20/09 12:47 PM, Rick at richardholc...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> Unless I am missing something,
>> once the Atlantis is discontinued, Rivendell will no longer offer a
>> bike model that is capable of loaded touring.
>>
>> Joel
>
> I'd say the Bombadil remains a good option on that front.
...a
This makes me want to buy one. And I don¹t need one. At all.
From: Anne Paulson
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Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 12:26:07 -0700
To:
Subject: [RBW] Re: End of the Atlantis?!?
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:48 AM, cm wrote:
>
> New post on the RIv site.
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news
I think it's a mistake to build an entire business strategy on the
assumption that exchange rates will always work in your favor. If
Riv. wants to continue to offer affordable, quality, lugged frames it
needs to begin to develop on shore manufacturing capability. It can
be done. Bilenkey offers
On Thu, 2009-08-20 at 12:43 -0700, Solomander wrote:
>
> I can understand why they are being discontinued- Toyo made frames are
> pricing themselves out of existence. I am sure that Waterford could
> make them, but likely they would be at least as expensive. I wonder
> what a custom builder cha
Unless I am missing something,
> once the Atlantis is discontinued, Rivendell will no longer offer a
> bike model that is capable of loaded touring.
>
> Joel
I'd say the Bombadil remains a good option on that front.
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I can understand why they are being discontinued- Toyo made frames are
pricing themselves out of existence. I am sure that Waterford could
make them, but likely they would be at least as expensive. I wonder
what a custom builder charges for a lugged frame and fork? Nobody can
dispute the beaut
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 11:48 AM, cm wrote:
>
> New post on the RIv site.
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/148
>
> Sounds like the end of the Atlantis and the other Toyo built frames.
>
What a tragedy. I guess now folks who want Atlantis-type bikes will have to
go for custom. I underst
I'm looking for a wheelset for a Specialized Expedition rebuild.
130mm rear spacing. (Don't want to respace to 135 just yet).
Shimano 105 hubs or better. Rims that can handle 37c tires.
A used set of synergy rims w/ Phil hubs would be dreamy but probably
not realistic. BTW I was about to purcha
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:48 PM, cm wrote:
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> New post on the RIv site.
>
> http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/148
>
> Sounds like the end of the Atlantis and the other Toyo built frames.
>
> "I'm going to get another Atlantis (I've been riding the first
> prototype for 11 years now, and rode
New post on the RIv site.
http://www.rivbike.com/blogs/news_post/148
Sounds like the end of the Atlantis and the other Toyo built frames.
"I'm going to get another Atlantis (I've been riding the first
prototype for 11 years now, and rode it home last night and up in the
hills the night before,
Sorry -- it was Gary's route i am interested in looking over, not Don's (yet).
Ray
--- On Thu, 8/20/09, Don wrote:
From: Don
Subject: [RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond
To: "RBW Owners Bunch"
Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 11:09 AM
Wow,
I just want to say how helpful all of the responses ha
Wow,
I just want to say how helpful all of the responses have been thus
far. Each response has has some real practical information.This is one
heck of a group for offering help to one another. Thank you all so
very much.
Cheers,
Don
On Aug 20, 1:59 pm, Ray Shine wrote:
> Don - do you have a link
Don - do you have a link to the route you mapped? I'd be very interested in
looking it over.
Ray
--- On Thu, 8/20/09, Gary wrote:
From: Gary
Subject: [RBW] Re: Touring 101 and beyond
To: "RBW Owners Bunch"
Date: Thursday, August 20, 2009, 7:41 AM
Hello Don,
You can ship your bike to a L
Hello Don,
You can ship your bike to a LBS in the area before hand and have it
tuned for you arrival and then reverse the same procedure for your
trip home. That way it will be good to go for your trip. I just
returned this weekend from a two week solo self contained tour of the
Sierras through
> Or just take the train oneself and take the bike along as luggage. I
> can't recall if there is a charge for this, but if so it is much less
> than the $68 or the $50-100 that airlines will charge.
I did this last year. Amtrak charged $15.00 over the price of the
ticket, supplied the box, the
On Aug 20, 2009, at 4:12 AM, mitchelr wrote:
> Remember Amtrak Express as an alternative. Amtrak will transport your
> fully assembled bike in one of their extra-large boxes from/to any of
> their stations with baggage service for roughly $68. All that is
> required is turning the bars and rem
Take care of.
Thanks!
Clif
http://hardmenwithsoftbellies.wordpress.com/
On Aug 19, 9:15 pm, Cycletex wrote:
> Anyone have a 46cm Nitto Noodle Handlebar they want to get rid of?
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