[RBW] Re: My new Custom Rivendell Mixte

2011-05-04 Thread Geoff
Thanks, Sumehra! My wife's Betty isn't nearly as amazing as your custom, but both she and I are extremely pleased with the custom paint results. And it looks much, much better than our poor quality shots would indicate. =) On May 3, 2:38 pm, SMP sume...@gmail.com wrote: Geoff -- that looks

[RBW] Re: Bike basket water bottle holder?

2011-05-04 Thread Alex Moll
Hi Michael, I hope I'm not presuming too much, but you may be thinking of my adventure touring (ex mtb) bike. http://www.flickr.com/photos/39151498@N07/4338978587/in/set-72157623375460150/ Camelbak MOLLE pouch, for the Camelbak Better Bottle (also great) available at many military NEX/BX/PX

[RBW] Re: Lighter Wheel Set Question

2011-05-04 Thread Yogurt
Hello, I'm new to the group. I have a 2009 AHH and it has 135 spacing. I believe the Saluki which the AHH replaced had 132.5 spacing. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to

Re: [RBW] Lighter Wheel Set Question

2011-05-04 Thread CycloFiend
on 5/3/11 9:03 PM, Joe Bartoe at jbar...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Bruce, The AHHs are supposed to have 132.5 spacing. Unless you've altered that, you should be able to use 130 OLD wheels just fine. I did that on mine. My aught-eight model has 135, dead-on. - J -- Jim Edgar

[RBW] Re: Grease and Beeswax

2011-05-04 Thread Benedikt
Don't put any grease on the spindles. The cranks slide onto them dry. At least this is what my LBS told me. The bolt which holds them on should be greased though. I'm one for Phil Wood grease or it's equivalent and Locktite Blue Designed for the locking and sealing of threaded fasteners which

[RBW] Re: Grant's Velosophy...

2011-05-04 Thread EricP
I clicked the ask the publisher for a Kindle version. Maybe if enough folks do that they'll offer a digital copy. It's sitting on my wish list at Amazon. Hopefully if there is a photo of Grant, it will be updated from his Roads to Ride books. Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On May 3, 4:28 pm, Rex

Re: [RBW] Re: Grease and Beeswax

2011-05-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE
The question of grease on spindles is hotly debated and generates strong passions, leading to at least one major war in the Middle East. Many mfrs and experts say to grease the spindle. I have always done so and torqued to Phil specs and have never had problems, ti or steel. All of which leads me

[RBW] Re: Lighter Wheel Set Question

2011-05-04 Thread MichaelH
The AHH was advertised as 135 when I considered buying one. I was surprised that GP moved away from the more versatile 132.5 of the Rambouillet, which was put to sleep when the AHH was released. Perhaps he thought the 135 fit the bikes image better. I didn't have any other bikes that took 135

[RBW] Marathon tires - Dureme vs. Supreme

2011-05-04 Thread EricP
Totally non-scientific and just my own opinion. A few weeks ago purchased a pair of Marathon Duremes in 700x40 for a non-Riv bike. For comparison, have had a set of Supreme 700x40 on my Sam Hillborne for most of the past year. So having just a few hundred miles on the Dureme how do they feel and

[RBW] Re: Lighter Wheel Set Question

2011-05-04 Thread Bill M.
I used a pair of 130 mm Shimano 105 hubs in a 135 spaced frame by adding 2 mm of spacers to each side of the axle. No re-dishing was needed, it worked fine. There's a bit less axle in the dropout but that makes no difference, as Sheldon pointed out the wheel is held by the locknut and skewer

[RBW] Re: Break-in for Berthoud saddles?

2011-05-04 Thread Christian
Hi Matt I might try that. It's gotten wet on rainy rides but perhaps not enough! For those of you who have not seen one it's remarkable how thick and hard the leather is on these things. About twice as thick as a B17 and no flex at all. Thanks for the replies. Christian On May 3, 9:16 am,

[RBW] Re: Marathon tires - Dureme vs. Supreme

2011-05-04 Thread Mike
Good to know Eric. Thanks for posting this info. --mike On May 4, 5:31 am, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Totally non-scientific and just my own opinion.  A few weeks ago purchased a pair of Marathon Duremes in 700x40 for a non-Riv bike. For comparison, have had a set of Supreme 700x40 on my

Re: [RBW] Marathon tires - Dureme vs. Supreme

2011-05-04 Thread John Blish
Thanks from me, too, Eric. I had wondered about Duremes and had decided not to bother to try them. I have set that aside and look forward to trying them on my Romulus. -jb On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 7:31 AM, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Totally non-scientific and just my own opinion. A few

[RBW] Re: Grant's Velosophy...

2011-05-04 Thread Roger
I wonder if digital/audio versions are done at Amazon, the publisher, or the author's prerogative? If I were the author, I would want to control which proprietary media and software(s) my work was tied to. Maybe sending a note to the author would be a good way to ask for your Kindle version. I

[RBW] splats

2011-05-04 Thread jandrews_nyc
i purchased a pair of splats from Riv in the largest size. they have been tried on but not ridden in. Does anyone have a pair in medium they'd like to trade for a large? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group,

[RBW] Re: New Atlantis

2011-05-04 Thread johnb
Thoughts on Cantilever versus V-brakes? I have a LHT with the Tektro 720s on it and I would not get them again. I feel they are difficult to adjust and they are okay at stopping the bike. Since this is a 50th b-day gift to myself, I have been looking at the Paul brakes. Any experience with either

Re: [RBW] Re: New Atlantis

2011-05-04 Thread Seth Vidal
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:06 AM, johnb jbust...@gmail.com wrote: Thoughts on Cantilever versus V-brakes? I have a LHT with the Tektro 720s on it and I would not get them again. I feel they are difficult to adjust and they are okay at stopping the bike. Since this is a 50th b-day gift to

[RBW] fenders on 50's

2011-05-04 Thread jandrews_nyc
hi i mentioned in a previous post that i put some Dureme 50's on my Hillborne. I am going to squeeze fenders on the bike ,but I don't know if I should purchase the SKS P50's or the SKS P55's. The P50's are for 700 x 45 or so, and the P55's are slightly wider but are really for 26 wheels. Does

[RBW] Re: Break-in for Berthoud saddles?

2011-05-04 Thread Corwin
Given that Berthoud saddles are supposed to be waterproof (see: http://www.flickr.com/photos/wallblog/3637431184/ ) - I don't think it's blasphemy. Probably a good test of their tanning process. CZ On May 4, 6:48 am, Christian christian.w.mcmil...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Matt I might try that.  

[RBW] Hillborne for the hills?

2011-05-04 Thread TSW
Hi all, I've searched all over forum archives and can't seem to find much discussion on this question: how does the Sam climb? I'm very close to pulling the trigger on a 52 (ideally I'd ride a 54, and 56 is just a tad too big), my 26 yr old Trek 560 ready to retire, and I'm used to a more

[RBW] Re: Hillborne for the hills?

2011-05-04 Thread William
Riv HQ isn't too handy to a steep hill There's a little known climb called Mt Diablo nearby. On May 4, 7:53 am, TSW tsesun...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I've searched all over forum archives and can't seem to find much discussion on this question: how does the Sam climb? I'm very close to

Re: [RBW] Hillborne for the hills?

2011-05-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Here is one for the con side. I own and love my custom Rivs (I've owned 3, still have 2) which climb superbly. I briefly owned a Sam Hill and found it far more sluggish on flats and hills and, more to the point (since the SH was set up as a heavy duty touring/light off road use bike while the

[RBW] Re: Break-in for Berthoud saddles?

2011-05-04 Thread Bill
On May 3, 9:16 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: This may be blasphemy to some, but you might try to get the saddle wet, or just damp, and then go for a ride.   ... Lon Haldeman has written about a break-in process for B-17s that involves soaking the saddle in hot water and

Re: [RBW] Hillborne for the hills?

2011-05-04 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 10:38 -0600, PATRICK MOORE wrote: Here is one for the con side. I own and love my custom Rivs (I've owned 3, still have 2) which climb superbly. I briefly owned a Sam Hill and found it far more sluggish on flats and hills and, more to the point (since the SH was set up as

Re: [RBW] Hillborne for the hills?

2011-05-04 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2011-05-04 at 07:53 -0700, TSW wrote: I'm used to a more aggressive geometry for climbing the hills around here. What do you mean by aggressive geometry? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send

[RBW] Re: Lighter Wheel Set Question

2011-05-04 Thread islaysteve
When I recently built up my Bleriot (135mm) I used Velo Orange wheels (130mm). I asked the mechanic at VO about the spacing and he said that for a 5mm difference, I could just install the wheel and clamp it down with the skewers. I was able to do this with no problem at all. It shifts fine, so I

Re: [RBW] Hillborne for the hills?

2011-05-04 Thread Lee Chae
Hi TS. You probably already know this, but note what tires you're testing with the Sam. I find noticeable differences in the way my Quickbeam feels climbing when I switch among 32, 38, and 42mm tires, even though all of these are supple sidewall-type tires. Have fun! Lee On Wed, May 4, 2011 at

Re: [RBW] Hillborne for the hills?

2011-05-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I mean wandering in the bike sense, not the car sense. That is, when I rode uphill seated in a low gear, the front end wanted to go its own way and not mine. The Herse (for example) is much better in this regard without for all that being far worse on downhills. Patrick no ball joints on my bikes

[RBW] Re: splats

2011-05-04 Thread scott
They seem too big when you look at them on your feet, but when thrown on in the rain and ridden some miles, they work fine. No slipping sliding or twisting. You just look like a duck when ya look down on them. That was my experience anyway. Scott On May 4, 9:59 am, jandrews_nyc

[RBW] Re: SimpleGreen

2011-05-04 Thread Minh
So for the slow among us (me), is the current, secret discounted price until may 12th, $900 ? hmm, may 12th is my b-day, should this be a present to myself? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: SimpleGreen

2011-05-04 Thread William
Minh That's my understanding. Put $450 down before noon on the 12th and you'll get your frameset (BB and HS) for $900. A call to make sure wouldn't hurt. Bill On May 4, 12:14 pm, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: So for the slow among us (me), is the current, secret discounted price until

[RBW] Re: Hillborne for the hills?

2011-05-04 Thread Tony
Hi TS, I just did the Grizzly Peak Century on my Hillborne (roughly 8550 ft. of climbing). Mine is a 60 cm frame, and I enjoy the ride the Hillborne and that size frame give. There is a steep climb in Walnut Creek/Alamo called Castle Crest Road you could try. Tony On May 4, 7:53 am, TSW

[RBW] Re: Shamelessly bagmatching

2011-05-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Lafuma!!! On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 2:59 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: But ... can *you* match these excessively cool bags? New old Lamafu bar bag on new new VO occasional slip-over-bar decaleur, conscientiously matching rear old Lamafu panniers. -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque,

[RBW] A few more things FS

2011-05-04 Thread PATRICK MOORE
From the Motobecane and elsewhere. Make offers. https://picasaweb.google.com/BERTIN753/ForSale#5602977054331842466 (Et sequentia.) -- Patrick Moore Albuquerque, NM For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW patrickmo...@resumespecialties.com A billion stars go spinning through

[RBW] Re: Hillborne for the hills?

2011-05-04 Thread MichaelH
Well Tia, Ernest Hemingway once said, Never trust an adjective. Or as Paul Simon put it, One man's ceiling is another man's floor. So one riders sluggish is another riders roadrunner. I find my Rambouillet very zippy and very much like my '88 Marinoni, which carries World Championship stripes.

[RBW] Re: Riv Rally East and The Weather...

2011-05-04 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Rally Update for Wednesday: I contacted Wellsboro PA local Bill Yacovissi, (who as you know created the PineCreekBikeRides web site), asking him for an update on the dirt road conditions, and to assess the Stony Fork stream crossing, which is featured on the Wellsboro Loop (Saturday's ride). He

[RBW] Re: FS: Pashley Tube Rider double scoop complete bike

2011-05-04 Thread williwoods
Hey Guys Again a little bump. Price is still $625 shipped anywhere in the lower 48. Shipped via UPS the shipping will be at least $80 fyi. On Apr 27, 10:49 am, williwoods willh...@yahoo.com wrote: From thePashleywebsite: One size suits riders with inside leg measurement of 28 - 34 My wife

[RBW] bars for a simpleone?

2011-05-04 Thread andrew hill
just put a deposit on a SimpleOne.. trying to decide on the bars. i've never really been a fan of drop bars, e.g. growing up as a kid in the 70s.. and the couple of times i've tried them over the intervening decades haven't really changed my mind - the front ends have felt pretty squirrely (but

Re: [RBW] bars for a simpleone?

2011-05-04 Thread Brian Hanson
It won't matter what you choose. You will want something else soon after you tape and shellac them. If not - you haven't subscribed to this list long enough... Brian (currently has 3 bars in the queue for his AHH) Seattle On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 4:06 PM, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote:

[RBW] Re: SimpleGreen

2011-05-04 Thread Rob H.
Apologies from me too: IT'S A COOKBOOK! IT'S A COOKBOOK! On May 3, 6:19 pm, EricP ericpl...@aol.com wrote: Can't help this - apologies in advance - SimpleGreen is made of people! Eric Platt St. Paul, MN On May 3, 2:36 pm, nawr...@comcast.net wrote: I have already added one to my

[RBW] Re: Shamelessly bagmatching

2011-05-04 Thread Forrest
They are matchless . . . -- Forrest On May 4, 4:28 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Lafuma!!! On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 2:59 PM, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: But ... can *you* match these excessively cool bags? New old Lamafu bar bag on new new VO occasional

Re: [RBW] Re: Shamelessly bagmatching

2011-05-04 Thread Bill Gibson (III)
You have coined the name for a great line of bags in the future, where we will all live: Lafamu! And, aye, she's lar, lar On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Forrest ftme...@me.com wrote: They are matchless . . . -- Forrest On May 4, 4:28 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote:

[RBW] Fwd: RR43 Link Update

2011-05-04 Thread Bill Gibson (III)
My inability to download it, etc. will motivate me to pay for a print copy! They deserve it, anyway. -- Forwarded message -- From: Rivendell Bicycle Works no-re...@rivbike.com Date: Wed, May 4, 2011 at 4:43 PM Subject: RR43 Link Update To: Bill bill.bgib...@gmail.com Use

[RBW] Anyone tried Compass Gran Bois Rando bars on a Riv (Bleriot specifically)

2011-05-04 Thread Justin August
Hiya Bike camping season is starting up here in PHL and so is my lust for parts. Anyone riding a Riv (specifically the Bleriot) with them? The narrow width has me worried but they seem so nice! Same question about the VO rando bar. -Justin -- You received this message because you are

[RBW] Re: Fwd: RR43 Link Update

2011-05-04 Thread MichaelH
I could live without downloading but even magnified the print is too small to read. Has anyone tried printing it? It looks like a great issue. michael On May 4, 8:12 pm, Bill Gibson (III) bill.bgib...@gmail.com wrote: My inability to download it, etc. will motivate me to pay for a print copy!

Re: [RBW] bars for a simpleone?

2011-05-04 Thread Eric Daume
I struggle to get comfortable on normal or slightly flared drop bars, but I'm pretty happy with the On One Midge. It's almost a mix between a mustache bar and a normal drop bar. Eric On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 7:06 PM, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: just put a deposit on a SimpleOne..

[RBW] Re: bars for a simpleone?

2011-05-04 Thread Cycletex
Put the Jitensha Studio flat bars on my Quickbeam a couple weeks ago. Love them. A lot. http://www.jitensha.com/eng/flatbar05.html -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: SimpleGreen

2011-05-04 Thread EricP
Yes - the mistake was intentional. Just a really bad attempt at a pun. Seems that color naming Rivendells has become popular (Orangeborne, Greenborne, now SimpleGreen). While good fun for those in the know it may serve to confuse others. Just today was mentioning the SimpleGreen to a person

[RBW] Re: Hillborne for the hills?

2011-05-04 Thread EricP
I don't find the Sam Hillborne bad at hill climbing. Although with the longer chainstays, it isn't the quickest thing in the world. Will probably feel slower than your Trek. And, like Patrick, I can feel a bit of wheel flop at certain speeds, and with certain tires. With my style of riding, it

[RBW] Re: Fwd: RR43 Link Update

2011-05-04 Thread sjauch
I only get a one page blank document when I open the link :-( On May 4, 8:39 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com wrote: I could live without downloading but even magnified the print is too small to read.  Has anyone tried printing it?  It looks like a great issue. michael On May 4, 8:12 pm,

Re: [RBW] Re: bars for a simpleone?

2011-05-04 Thread Tim Whalen
I'd love to see a pic of your QB with those bars. (I am in the midst of bar decisions for my new used Rambouillet.) Tim On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 7:21 PM, Cycletex clifwrightpho...@yahoo.com wrote: Put the Jitensha Studio flat bars on my Quickbeam a couple weeks ago. Love them. A lot.

[RBW] Re: bars for a simpleone?

2011-05-04 Thread Minh
My body measurements are very similiar to yours and i actually really like my 42cm dream bar. just put a 48cm noodle on another bike, will get back to you on that. i'm debating a simpleone too and thinking about drops or albatross myself -- You received this message because you are

Re: [RBW] Re: bars for a simpleone?

2011-05-04 Thread erik jensen
put a bar on there, then: change it. On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 6:48 PM, Minh mgiangs...@gmail.com wrote: My body measurements are very similiar to yours and i actually really like my 42cm dream bar. just put a 48cm noodle on another bike, will get back to you on that. i'm debating a

[RBW] Any Riv riders on TOSRV this weekend?

2011-05-04 Thread Steve Hemmelgarn
This weekend is the 50th TOSRV. How many Riv riders will be there? I'll be there on my Blue Rambouillet. Hope to see lots of you there. Steve Hemmelgarn -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: bars for a simpleone?

2011-05-04 Thread ejg
All of my bikes have drops. 2 have Nitto Noodles, which I really really love. I have 44's on one and 46's on another. Originally I thought I would love the 46's, but prefer the slightly narrower ones. On another bike I have the Nitto Randonneur bars. These are really comfortable and flare out a

[RBW] Re: Anyone tried Compass Gran Bois Rando bars on a Riv (Bleriot specifically)

2011-05-04 Thread rcnute
I tried the narrow Nitto randonneur bars on my Saluki and didn't care for the combination. I currently use the Grand Bois randonneur bars on my Kogswell and like them a lot. Ryan On May 4, 5:30 pm, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote: Hiya Bike camping season is starting up here in PHL

[RBW] Re: Fwd: RR43 Link Update

2011-05-04 Thread Stephen S
I printed it out as a pdf and it looks good and readable to me. Some odd issues with scaling on the bike pictures but that looks to be in the issue. This link works for me : http://shade.keeptrees.com/publications/g30/TheRivendellReader/ Stephen On May 4, 5:39 pm, MichaelH mhech...@gmail.com

Re: [RBW] Re: Fwd: RR43 Link Update

2011-05-04 Thread Seth Vidal
On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 12:33 AM, Stephen S elphk...@gmail.com wrote: I printed it out as a pdf and it looks good and readable to me. Some odd issues with scaling on the bike pictures but that looks to be in the issue. This link works for me :

[RBW] Re: Fwd: RR43 Link Update

2011-05-04 Thread Stephen S
Yup I installed CutePDF (Free) Then went into the link for the pdf. Chose the print option and then chose the option for selected pages. I entered in 1-46 and chose print. It spooled the pages to the print spooler and then after sometime it allowed me to save the pdf. CutePDF is a little odd but

[RBW] Re: Fwd: RR43 Link Update

2011-05-04 Thread Stephen S
Correction : I am missing the links for In this issue on page 2 everything else seems fine. It just looks like a blank column. Stephen On May 4, 9:42 pm, Stephen S elphk...@gmail.com wrote: Yup I installed CutePDF (Free) Then went into the link for the pdf. Chose the print option and then

Re: [RBW] bars for a simpleone?

2011-05-04 Thread Robert F. Harrison
m-bars on my QB. Love 'em. I am mostly an urban commuter and the m-bars are simply great in traffic. I also do longer rides with them and have never been uncomfortable. Try riding your Rom around in just one gear for a day or two and see what you think. Aloha! On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 1:06 PM,

[RBW] FS - New Acorn Boxy Rando Bag

2011-05-04 Thread Rick
I have a brand new tan Acorn Boxy Rando Bag for sale. If anyone is interested, please let me know. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from

Re: [RBW] Re: Break-in for Berthoud saddles?

2011-05-04 Thread omnigrid
...sounds like an easy way to ruin your $200 saddle. my berthoud was hard but comfortable out of the box. besides a small amount of brooks proofide on the underside to protect from drying out, butt-sweat + miles is the only treatment that I use. no problems at all or need to break-in the saddle

[RBW] FS: Acorn Bag

2011-05-04 Thread Rod C
Hello I'm selling a black medium sized Acorn bag. Just bought it last month but turns out I'm not using it nearly as much as I thought. It's black with honey leather straps. It can be seen on the Acorn Bags website. It's a nifty little bag that can hold a surprising amount of stuff. It's in like

[RBW] Rivendell Reader

2011-05-04 Thread Khalid Mateen
Anyone get a PDF rivendell Reader but could not read it? Just got one but cant read. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send

[RBW] Re: Shamelessly bagmatching

2011-05-04 Thread Tony Lockhart
Looks like a good match to me, especially on that bike. Thumbs up. On May 4, 1:59 pm, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: But ... can *you* match these excessively cool bags? New old Lamafu bar bag on new new VO occasional slip-over-bar decaleur, conscientiously matching rear old Lamafu

[RBW] Re: Anyone tried Compass Gran Bois Rando bars on a Riv (Bleriot specifically)

2011-05-04 Thread Rob
I have 'em on my Saluki and find them very comfortable, and I'm a big guy. Mind you, I've never (yet) ridden a bike with Noodles, so I can't compare. Rob in Seattle -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group,

[RBW] Re: bars for a simpleone?

2011-05-04 Thread Rob H.
i'm already planning what the first and second iteration will be: jitensha flat handlebars during its early years as primarily a commuter, then either noodle or moustache for longer rides... On May 4, 4:06 pm, andrew hill neurod...@gmail.com wrote: just put a deposit on a SimpleOne.. trying to

Re: [RBW] Re: Grant's Velosophy...

2011-05-04 Thread CycloFiend
on 5/4/11 7:41 AM, Roger at rogerdhod...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder if digital/audio versions are done at Amazon, the publisher, or the author's prerogative? Typically, that is the domain of the publisher. Any publisher should be doing all they can to maintain control over the specific