Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

Joe, I like pretty also and, like you, am willing to pay the extra. I still plan to get the Homer. I don't ever want to look back and wish I had. Thanks. Tim On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 9:26 PM, Joe Bernard wrote: > I think a major difference between Homer and Sam is the

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

Steve, Thanks for the info. I guess if I go back to a triple, the granny gear would be nice. A 10 speed 12-30 with 24-34-44 seems to have a decent range. http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS=24,34,44=12,13,14,15,17,19,21,24,27,30=2200=90=2.6=MPH I'll keep playing with this and with whoever

Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

I think a major difference between Homer and Sam is the Sam's sloping toptube vs. Homer's more traditional flatter one. This splits the difference for me because I prefer the lower standover of Riv's newer models, but like the Homer look better. Well I'm vain and if it's my money, I'm paying

[RBW] FS: Frames, Rack, Fenders, Shifters, Stems, etc.

Riv content: Selling these items to help fund a Sam Hillborne :) Items ship from Portland, OR *Velo Orange Campeur F/F/HS*, 63cm x 63cm: $375 + $50 shipping Ridden ~1,500 miles, great condition. Frame treated w/ Boeshield when new. Headset is VO’s Grand Cru, installed by VO. pics here show

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

10 tooth differences are great. Crossing over from the large to the smaller, either you are in a hurry to get your shift completed, so you upshift once in back and you're at the next step down, or if you're not in a hurry, you make the shift and wait one or two heartbeats and you've slowed

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

René, Thanks for that information. That René Herse crankset sure looks nice. What you described is kind of like this: http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS=26,42=11,13,15,17,19,21,24,28,32,36=2200=90=2.6=MPH Is this right? From what Steve had mentioned before, I interpreted (or

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

Patrick, Thanks for that info and for relating your experience. I think I posted some slightly saner gearing in my reply to Steve and I liked what Brian had also. That HTML5 gear calculator is an interesting tool. I like the ability to copy the URL to share a setup. With the great help from

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

Joe, I think I'll stick with brifters for now until I spend more time out of the city on more open roads. I'm already used to that and it would be one less thing to change or learn. With a 10 speed, I can switch it up later if I want. Thanks. Tim On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 8:47 AM, Joe Bernard

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

Brian, Thanks for the info. I agree with a test and learn phase, though I will need to extend that to make sure my learn allows for a decent adaptation period first. To your specific points... 1. I'm wondering about this also. I like my Ortlieb bar bag that I use now (the only bag on the

Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

Will, Thanks for confirming the rack/bag combo. As for the Sam, I think I need to pull out a car analogy. I have owned both of these, so should be qualified to compare. For the person with their heart set on an Audi S4, the VW Jetta is a poor substitute. Both are made by VW and both can seat

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

Steve, Thanks for the reality check. I did a different check and agree, 4mph is a bit too slow at 90 cadence. :) I found another neat, sharable tool. What do you think of this combination? http://www.gear-calculator.com/?GR=DERS=36,46=11,12,13,15,17,19,22,25,28,32=2200=90=2.6=MPH The 36t ring

Re: [RBW] Re: Remember Islabikes?

The underlying philosophy of the Sam remains what it was, incarnated permanently in carefully lugged steel. Beats me - I live in a less fluid universe, apparently. Well, we'll go back to Garth and say that "one person's perspective is as good as another['s]", using this phrase as a provisional

[RBW] Re: Ride Report Gap-C & O Towpath

Very nice Howard, thanks for the pics and reports on the weather, trail conditions! I could've shown you around town for a bit before going to work. Pittsburgh's cycling friendly and has lots of things to see, do, eat and drink by bike if you've got the time and a guide! Quite the hoot to

Re: [RBW] Re: Remember Islabikes?

My Sam would change for me because part of what I love about it are the underlying philosophy and ideas. The unparalleled ride is number one, but the other stuff matters, too. To give a non-bike-related metaphor: a few years back I got the chance to play a couple of shows with one of my

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

Thanks, Bob. I'll keep that in mind if I go that route. Tim On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 4:05 PM, kielsun wrote: > Tim, > > You can get silver Tubus racks from the German online stores. I just > ordered a Tubus Tara from Bike24. > > Bob > > -- > You received this message because

Re: [RBW] Re: Remember Islabikes?

If Grant designed a CF bicycle, I for one would be very interested in it (assuming I could afford it, which is unlikely). Why? Because a Rivendell-desiged CF bike would be a very nice riding and sturdy, and very likely good looking bike. As the RR itself (via Bontrager) said in a long ago article,

Re: [RBW] Re: Remember Islabikes?

I'm zero percent surprised that CF kids' bikes don't get a warm welcome on this list. We gather here because of our love for or interest in Rivendell Bicycles--lugged steel frames for everyday use that are intended to grow in beauty through usage. CF bikes in general are the opposite of that.

[RBW] FS: Kent Eriksen S Coupled Titanium Bike ::: Gravel / CX / Pave: Any Surface Fun (xpost from ibob)

Kent Eriksen builds an amazing bike and this one has ridiculously low miles on it. It’s never been my “daily rider” seeing use about one week each year. It needs to be ridden more! Makes a great option for any surface, takes wider tires, travel with ease, etc. This is pretty much a one bike to

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

Tim, You can get silver Tubus racks from the German online stores. I just ordered a Tubus Tara from Bike24. Bob -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an

[RBW] Re: Long rides on low carb...

René, I've replied off list with info on the "no man's land" of the dangers of eating above ketogenic, which keeps the liver from kicking in) but not enough to meet the body's daily needs. I suspect there is grey area on the number that divide low/low; medium/low; and high/low carb amounts,

[RBW] Re: Squeaky bb needs to change?

Thanks for starting this thread. It was the motivation I needed to deal with my squeaky bb. Snagged a replacement from my favorite LBS this afternoon. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

As I said, nothing is simple if you complicate it. I've been fascinated by gearing for 30 years at least; actually since my second bike build circa 1971 ("half stepped" an AW with 16 and 18 cogs). OTOH, my brother, whose history is shorter but who knows more about bikes than I, simply doesn't care

[RBW] Thinking of a Riv

I still have a hard time understanding all these gearing calculations, so here is what works for me, FWIW: - On my stock triple Sugino crankset provided Homer and Atlantis, I've gone to the 12-36 9 speed cassette and never use the large 46 ring, except on downhills. On the Betty stock 26/40

[RBW] Re: Long rides on low carb...

@Lungimsam: Thanks for the totally sensible approach and recommendations. That's exactly how I'll approach it. It's funny that my 23 mile ride yesterday felt horrible, everything hurt, but then in the evening, after some brooding during the day, I took my wife out and we went to the movies (Don't

Re: [RBW] Re: Remember Islabikes?

This is a funny thing to say on a Rivendell list. I do believe in list criticism instead of total Koolaid, but, I'm almost *(almost)* inclined to agree with Garth for once. *(Almost.)* Sure, I think some Rivendell things are overpriced for the value given and the quality of cheaper alternatives,

Re: [RBW] Indian food run and Goose face-off!

You are in good, even exalted company: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter_rabbit_incident Patrick Moore, who confesses to once having been slightly anxious about an inquisitive squirrel in ABQ, NM. On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 6:03 AM, Matt C. wrote: > This

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

I should have added that one purpose of my gearing setups is to limit most riding to one ring. As Steve indicated, you want to consider not only range, but also: Cruising (ie, most riding and most wear) chainline Ease of shifting as well as: Cruising gear spacing Size of most used cogs

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

Range is as personal as saddles or crank length, since depends on pedaling style as well as fitness. I'm not particularly fit by any means, but a sub 20" gear would simply gather dust on my bikes. I *would* use an 18" gear on a bike set up for steep singletrack at altitude, and I daresay, for

[RBW] Re: Long rides on low carb...

A few more thoughts as Iv'e been thinking on this: -- Bonking is non-existant once you convert to fat burning. -- "Fading" (what I call it) can happen, especially in the first few years of fat burning. Think of energy consumption as a fire burning. Sugar burners are always burning duff and

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

Perfect fender line! I'm envious. On Sat, May 28, 2016 at 6:04 PM, stonehog wrote: > I like Noodles - like the curve back - fits my hands great. I've tried > 46, 42, and 44cm sizes, and like the 42s best (5'11" 87.5cm PBH), but that > is a hugely personal preference and

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

Very nice and well set up. You've got a pretty good fender line, too -- I have a problem getting a very nice line with my '03, and may have the rear bridge raised a bit. One thing Riv could do to perfect their offerings is ensure the right crown and bridge heights for fenders over max width tires.

[RBW] Here are some things that ought to re-appear under the Silver name: closer ratio hub gears

An auction just ended for a SA ASC hub -- starting asking bid: $475. The slightler earlier auction for the even nicer TF started at $900. The ASC had lash problems like the S3X, but at least had reasonable ratios: direct, 90%, 75%. The TF had little lash, apparently, and had a wonderful direct

[RBW] Re: Long rides on low carb...

How hilly is the ride? I was nervous before my first 62 mile ride. It turned out to be way easier than I ever thought it would be. I don't do low carb riding or diets, but here are a few general long ride tips: 1. *Keep it in perspective*: If *there is SAG*, there is nothing to worry about.

Re: [RBW] Want to buy or try: Kelly take offs

I sold mine years ago, but I can put in a word of praise for them. I found them the easiest way to do double shifts: Kellys #1, then dt shifters, then bes. However, I found bes to be best for off road -- bumpy -- shifting. I found I could shift as easily from ramps/hoods (these were Nitto 185s,

[RBW] Want to buy or try: Kelly take offs

Another build concept is taking place. I'm considering all the non brifter options for putting my shifters on the handlebar. One option I would like to consider is Kelly take offs. Does anybody have a set they would like to let go? Bill Lindsay El Cerrito CA -- You received this message

Re: [RBW] C17 or C17 Carved?

astounding > >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to rbw-owners-bunch+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to

Re: [RBW] Ride Report Gap-C & O Towpath

Super ride! Thanks for sharing the images too. They brought back great memories. I did that ride last summer, warmer but just as wet and muddy. :-) Aloha, Bob On May 28, 2016 10:49 AM, "Howard Hatten" wrote: > Finished my ride last Saturday. Left Pittsburgh @ 5 AM, 33 degrees

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

As I said somewhere earlier, DT is an acquired taste I haven't acquired. The choice between BE and brifters for a 2x system in the city is, IMO, two variations on the same idea of shifters on bars. I don't think one is "better" for the application, so I personally would choose BE because I like

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

Tim, Thanks! There are a lot of options to try so I would think about a "test and learn" phase after buying whatever Riv model you decide on. Mine has been built in many different configurations and for my preferences and riding ( I am 48 and live in South Eastern PA) I learned the following:

[RBW] Rivelo Anniversary Party with Grant: June 25, Portland

We'll be celebrating *Year One of Rivlelo *on *Saturday, June 25th*, in Portland (the one in Oregon). We'll start with a ride from the Peninsula Park Rose Garden at 9:30AM with Special Guest and friend, Grant Petersen. After the ride, there'll be a party at the shop from 1PM to 4PM. Live

Re: [RBW] C17 or C17 Carved?

Where else is there a significant failure rate being reported? Three reported failures on that other discussion on the iBob list, one first-hand and the other two second-hand, indicates a systemic problem? I tried searching for other reported failures and haven't found it as a topic in any other

Re: [RBW] Re: Large Grabsack width and height?

Thanks, Mark. My 15" MB Pro measures about 14" across and 10" high, so it will probably fit. Your montage reminds me of the rather surprisingly large grocery load I managed to fit into a Revelate Pika. It's on my short list, but the downside is that I'll have to modify it by adding a waist strap

[RBW] Indian food run and Goose face-off!

This reminds me of a similar story. A few years ago I was touring on the C canal. One morning I woke up early, packed up camp, and began riding at around 6am. It was great as I saw lots of wildlife that early...including geese. I was straight up crushing it at 9-10 mph until a few geese and

Re: [RBW] Re: Thinking of a Riv

Bingo you keep the Ortlieb front bag and match with Tubus/Ortlieb rear. I still think you should go back to the drawing board and give strong consideration to a "complete" Sam. It might be cheaper from a financial POV, but it is not cheaper from a visual or functional POV. The builders in

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

On 05/29/2016 05:15 AM, Tim Butterfield wrote: Building further on the 2x10 possibility, I did some further playing with Sheldon's gear inch calculator. If I could pair the Sugino XD2 26t-40t crank with the Praxis 11-40 10 speed cassette, that would provide a range of 26x40=17.6 up to

Re: [RBW] C17 or C17 Carved?

regardless of anecdotal evidence, that failure rate indicates a systematic problem On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 6:03:17 AM UTC-5, Jeff wrote: > > I have 3 C-17 carved and 1 regular C17, as well as a B-17n that I turned > into a 'carved' model. I have the natural, slate and black C-17's. I have >

Re: [RBW] C17 or C17 Carved?

I have 3 C-17 carved and 1 regular C17, as well as a B-17n that I turned into a 'carved' model. I have the natural, slate and black C-17's. I have anywhere from a couple dozen up to a couple thousand miles on the Cambium saddles and have had no issues at all. I definitely much prefer the carved

Re: [RBW] C17 or C17 Carved?

Dead split between people who've had an issue & those who haven't!? Still, worrisome I have about a dozen bikes with Brooks saddles, including a C-17 (good so far, but it's only got a few hundred miles on it) I am worried though, because I just got a C-19 yesterday! -- You received this

[RBW] Re: Long rides on low carb...

riding in s. Texas summers, taking along SmartWater is a good idea, and can't describe to you how wonderful fresh fruit can be, mandarin oranges, tangelos, etc. Around here, it's fresh peaches at roadside stands. On Sunday, May 29, 2016 at 5:28:46 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote: > > I

[RBW] Re: Long rides on low carb...

I suspect that most bonk is caused by electrolyte loss, not glucose. On very long rides in very hot weather I drink half water & half sport drink. I carry salty snacks and for century rides and some potassium tablets. Eat what you like. Michael On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 7:49:43 PM

Re: [RBW] C17 or C17 Carved?

heads up current discussion on iBob https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/internet-bob/VXruH2NKHEQ%5B1-25%5D at the very least, this would keep me away from a carved C17 for me, the only saddle is Brooks Select -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

Building further on the 2x10 possibility, I did some further playing with Sheldon's gear inch calculator. If I could pair the Sugino XD2 26t-40t crank with the Praxis 11-40 10 speed cassette, that would provide a range of 26x40=17.6 up to 40x11=98.2. From 17.6 to 98.2 is quite a range of gear

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

What do folks think of wide cassettes? There used to be a IRD/Riv 9 speed 12-40 "Elite Wide", but that has been discontinued. (I wish discontinued items were not so prominently placed, but that's a different issue.) I found there is a Praxis 10 speed Wide Range 11-40 MTB cassette available.

Re: [RBW] Thinking of a Riv

René, Thanks for the info and pictures. That's a nice looking Homer. I like the look of the stainless steel Cosmo, though it doesn't look polished. I'm going to have to think further on the rack/bag selection. I have several good options to choose from. Thanks. Tim On Sat, May 28, 2016 at

[RBW] Re: Long rides on low carb...

Thank you all for your insights and feedback. I'm feeling quite nervous and am trying to relieve the mental pressure. If I need to get bailed out, so be it. I don't know if I'm aiming too much too soon, sometimes it certainly feels that way when I assess how I feel after 2 - 3 hour rides. This,