Re: [RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

2009-12-31 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 21:53 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: But if the target audience is predisposed toward carrying little, and that only in a small seat

Re: [RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

2009-12-31 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 21:49 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 4:59 PM, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote: On the other other hand, I think low-trail geometry is more than a trendy bandwagon, and is in fact actually

Re: [RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

2009-12-31 Thread Tim McNamara
On Dec 31, 2009, at 7:27 AM, Steve Palincsar wrote: On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 21:49 -0700, PATRICK MOORE wrote: On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 4:59 PM, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote: On the other other hand, I think low-trail geometry is more than a trendy

Re: [RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

2009-12-31 Thread PATRICK MOORE
But you said, or seemed to say, or did not take the extreme care needed not to appear to say, or could reasonably be interpreted as saying, that high trail is good only for no front/low rear loading. I take it that, despite appearances, or interpretations, or sundry ambiguities and biases, you did

Re: [RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

2009-12-31 Thread BPustow
huh? In a message dated 12/31/2009 10:43:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bertin...@gmail.com writes: But you said, or seemed to say, or did not take the extreme care needed not to appear to say, or could reasonably be interpreted as saying, that high trail is good only for no front/low

Re: [RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

2009-12-31 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Perfectly clear, obviously, although I meant it for SP and forgot and clicked everyone. On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:47 AM, bpus...@aol.com wrote: huh? In a message dated 12/31/2009 10:43:28 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, bertin...@gmail.com writes: But you said, or seemed to say, or did not

Re: [RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

2009-12-31 Thread cyclotourist
On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 5:27 AM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: High trail bikes tend to lock in on a line through corners. This is good in that minor bumps and pavement irregularities won't throw the bike off course: it corners like it's on rails. However, if you find halfway

Re: [RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

2009-12-31 Thread Bruce
Can't we work in a discussion of how wearing a helmet affects handling in high or low trail bikes? You know, start multi-tasking these crucial issues? Oh, and be sure to include a bar bag, and refer to a Roadeo to stay on topic... Tim McNamara wrote: Steve

Re: [RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

2009-12-31 Thread Tim McNamara
On Dec 31, 2009, at 10:25 AM, Bruce wrote: It seems that after riding a few minutes, I am used to whichever trail the bike I am on has. I find this, too. Ditto the small differences in position my various bikes have. By the time I'm a block from my house, I've adjusted. -- You

[RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

2009-12-30 Thread Dustin N. Sharp
No, but if you can hit a second audience by simply offering another fork, why not? Randonneuring is growing, and Francophilia is in vogue. The tubing spec and other aspects of the frame would make a good fastish Brevet bike. Seems like low-hanging fruit to me. On 12/30/09 2:48 PM,

Re: [RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

2009-12-30 Thread Rene Sterental
Wouldn't the concept of a low trail additional fork option work for all Rivendell models? Or is the low trail also coupled with other geometry changes needed to fully express itself in a great handling bike? By that I mean that the current great handling shouldn't suffer at all after swapping

Re: [RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

2009-12-30 Thread james black
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 15:43, Dustin N. Sharp dsh...@runbox.com wrote: No, but if you can hit a second audience by simply offering another fork, why not?  Randonneuring is growing, and Francophilia is in vogue. The tubing spec and other aspects of the frame would make a good fastish Brevet

Re: [RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

2009-12-30 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Wed, 2009-12-30 at 15:59 -0800, james black wrote: On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 15:43, Dustin N. Sharp dsh...@runbox.com wrote: No, but if you can hit a second audience by simply offering another fork, why not? Randonneuring is growing, and Francophilia is in vogue. The tubing spec and

Re: [RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

2009-12-30 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 4:59 PM, james black chocot...@gmail.com wrote: On the other other hand, I think low-trail geometry is more than a trendy bandwagon, and is in fact actually superior. Why is this, exactly? I know it is better for front loads, but apart from front loads, are there

Re: [RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

2009-12-30 Thread PATRICK MOORE
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 5:22 PM, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: But if the target audience is predisposed toward carrying little, and that only in a small seat pack and their jersey pockets, a low trail configuration that demands a handlebar bag with some weight in it to feel right

Re: [RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

2009-12-30 Thread james black
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 20:49, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: Why is this, exactly? I know it is better for front loads, but apart from front loads, are there advantages? I ask because all three Rivs I have owned have handled impeccably; I can't think of any improvement to them. It's

Re: [RBW] Bar Bags and Roadeos

2009-12-30 Thread james black
On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 20:53, PATRICK MOORE bertin...@gmail.com wrote: So why would low trail be better for me with my rear loads up to 40 lb? Steve didn't say it would be. There seems to be widespread agreement that high trail is better for rear-biased loads, and low trail better for