Re: [RBW] Hillbourne handling - was: Grant discounts the value of top tube length

2010-08-10 Thread andrew hill
> > This note on the frame drawing thread struck me, as both Andrew and > Patrick Moore have said the same thing. I'm surprised, actually, that > even on the slacker (even by Riv standards) Hillbourne seat tube you > still feel the need to push the saddle so far back, though that would > certainly

Re: [RBW] Hillbourne handling - was: Grant discounts the value of top tube length

2010-08-10 Thread PATRICK MOORE
In my case, the saddle position is the very first variable to be determined and set, and everything else is measured off of that. I like a distance from saddle nose (Flites and Turbos) of 3 to 3.5 inches behind bb center. This means that, with the 71* st, the saddle is more or less centered, perhap

[RBW] Hillbourne handling - was: Grant discounts the value of top tube length

2010-08-10 Thread Bill Connell
On Mon, Aug 9, 2010 at 10:49 PM, andrew hill wrote: > it's a factor for me too - 84.5 pbh and 5'11 for me. > > not totally sure how to compensate.. i end up pushing the seat way back and > putting the bars up high .. but i think that unweights the front end a bit > too much, and contributes to w