> 
> This note on the frame drawing thread struck me, as both Andrew and
> Patrick Moore have said the same thing. I'm surprised, actually, that
> even on the slacker (even by Riv standards) Hillbourne seat tube you
> still feel the need to push the saddle so far back, though that would
> certainly explain the feeling that the front-end is too light. Seat
> positioning is a highly individual thing, but it seems like in these
> cases it's more a way to compensate for a short-feeling TT. Forgive me
> if i've missed something in earlier posts, but have you both tried
> longer stems? How does your Hillbourne position compare to other bikes
> (esp. setback from BB and reach)?
> 
> -- 
> Bill Connell
> St. Paul, MN
> 

Well, my stats (phb 84.5, 5'11, short limbs, all torso) have always made bike 
fittings hard.  with "typical" road bikes i've been way too far forward out 
over the front wheel, and it unweights the rear wheel too much, causes me to 
endo easily, etc.  this isn't an issue on most mountain bikes.  it's not much 
of an issue with the SH, either, with the B-17 back on a set-back seatpost.   
though the pedals still feel like they are wee bit too far "back".  i've 
tweaked the height of the Bullmoose bars and seat to be a pretty-good-feel set 
up, and the bike DOES track extremely well 90% of the time - i just have to pay 
more attention to the front end when climbing or turning semi-sharply on flats, 
or i find the bike might add in some turn i wasn't expecting.  

in comparison, all the riding i've done in the past couple years that hasn't 
been on this Sam has been on a 19" Fisher Cobia 29er:
http://fisherbikes.com/bike/archivemodel/398 

that frame geometry completely eliminates any fit issue for me, even though 
it's got a short effective top tube (622). i did add a height-adjustable stem 
to get me a bit more upright/take pressure off my hands.  but it's got better 
transfer of power than my Sam, and feels much faster to accelerate (fork 
locked) even with 2.5" knobbies, compared to the Sam with 40mm Shwalbe Mara 
Sups.  i dont know enough about geometry to compare the SH 56cm to the Cobia 
19".. there are obviously a lot of differences - but some dimension is 
affecting both fit and power transfer pretty significantly (with a similar 
drivetrain, crank length, cassette,etc).

best,
andrew

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