Re: [RBW] Re: 650b tires: the fat and the skinny about them?

Bill Lindsay (sounding like a Jan Heine apologist) writes: "I would bet a dollar that Jan Heine never said "51mm is the best width for 559 rims", or anything else like that. " Though I agree that Jan may never have said "... is the best ..." he does seem to like the word "optimal", and I do

Re: [RBW] Re: 650b tires: the fat and the skinny about them?

We're talking here about "Wheel Size, Tire Width and Handling," Bicycle Quarterly Winter 2017, p. 84-85, I presume. In this article, Jan says: "If the above theory is correct, I should not notice much of a difference since the diameter of the wheels remains unchanged.  That isn't how it

Re: [RBW] Re: 650b tires: the fat and the skinny about them?

Patrick Moore 'doubts' or 'disagrees with' Jan's tire theories. His fundamental gripe is against absolutism: "it's just calling these "best" that troubles me" Patrick Moore did not present a quote from Jan Heine as the basis of his argument, and I think that's where his 'disagreement' may be

Re: [RBW] Re: 650b tires: the fat and the skinny about them?

Interesting opinion, and interesting fact -- I assume -- about Singer and Herse using 700C with narrower tires for "go fast rando machines." Regarding the moment of inertia, I don't doubt that the feel of certain combinations of diameter and width correspond across the spectrum; it's just calling

Re: [RBW] Re: 650b tires: the fat and the skinny about them?

I thought BQ listed the widths by the moment of inertia, a 650x42 having about the same as a 700x32. Same MI is expected to provide similar handling. Also Mike Kone has some "words of wisdom"(his *Our Philosophy Note*) on 650 vs 700 for a brevet type bike on his Boulder Bicycle site, along

Re: [RBW] Re: 650b tires: the fat and the skinny about them?

Patrick Moore asked: "So what does 'optimum' mean here?" There is, of course, no such thing as "optimum width" for a 650B tire, because different riders have different druthers. But if I recall, Jan took pains to test different tire widths until he determined what is, according to him, the

Re: [RBW] Re: 650b tires: the fat and the skinny about them?

What ! ... and that's what, about what ! sheesh ... glad we got that cleared up ! On Friday, December 15, 2017 at 11:23:33 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote: > > Say, what? > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW Owners Bunch" group. To

[RBW] Re: 650b tires: the fat and the skinny about them?

I personally didn’t enjoy smaller than 42 on my Bleriot and refuse smaller only Saluki However if I were to get any of he smaller ones I would get the SOMA B lines if they still exist. Great great tires. -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "RBW

[RBW] Re: 650b tires: the fat and the skinny about them?

I run Compass Loup Loups 650x38 on my converted Merckx Corsa. It's a fast, nimble frame and the Loup Loups are light and roll well to complement the frame characteristics. I haven't tried a narrower tire because with the LL's the bike is my ideal combination of cushy and quick. jim m walnut

Re: [RBW] Re: 650b tires: the fat and the skinny about them?

Say, what? On Fri, Dec 15, 2017 at 9:22 AM, Garth wrote: > Yes , just ride whatever you want ! > > "Optimal" depends on one's judgement of what that means. To call that a > "standard", when such judgement is always changing, such a "standard" would > be no standard at all

Re: [RBW] Re: 650b tires: the fat and the skinny about them?

Yes , just ride whatever you want ! "Optimal" depends on one's judgement of what that means. To call that a "standard", when such judgement is always changing, such a "standard" would be no standard at all because a true standard would have to be universal and apply to everyone all the time,

Re: [RBW] Re: 650b tires: the fat and the skinny about them?

Tangential, but related: Jan again claims to have found the best width/diameter combinations. But is there really any objective standard for this, given riders' different preferences for handling? I ask because for me, the 559 bsd wheeled road bikes Grant designed feel perfect with 28 mm tires;

[RBW] Re: 650b tires: the fat and the skinny about them?

Thanks to all for your views and offers; I've ordered a pair of the Hutchinsons, and look forward to trying them out. I've not yet tried running tires without tubes--something new--that would go toward my idea to make this a lighter build. It may well be, as it seems so far, the One Bike to

[RBW] Re: 650b tires: the fat and the skinny about them?

I'll sell you a pair of these: 650x36, http://www.cyclesgrandbois.com/SHOP/T650_F35_SS.html extra leger, red. Mounted once. $110 shipped On Thursday, December 14, 2017 at 9:26:47 PM UTC-5, Tom Goodmann wrote: > > I'm the current happy rider of a Curt Goodrich-built Proto Saluki (my > friend

[RBW] Re: 650b tires: the fat and the skinny about them?

I have one lightweight custom 650b machine shod with the Hutchinson Confrérie des 650B, which measure out at 33mm wide on Velocity A23 rims. I think they ride very nicely - I'm fairly light at 65kg, and I run them at 40psi front and 60psi rear. They also roll out pretty well - I take that bike

[RBW] Re: 650b tires: the fat and the skinny about them?

I like 38-42mm wide 650b for safety reasons. I have fallen and been injured when using skinnier tires that got hung up in longitudinal road and sidewalk cracks. The wide 38-42 tires dont get caught on the cracks .They roll over. Would have to be pretty wide for them to get stuck in a crack.

[RBW] Re: 650b tires: the fat and the skinny about them?

Tom, If you really want narrow 650B tires, you can buy Grand Bois Cypres 650Bx32 tires from the company's website