[RBW] Re: 7/19 BLUG broken Sam

2013-07-28 Thread William!
So, has anyone tried to add quick-release things to metal fenders? Presumably even Jan would agree that metal fenders with QR thingies would be a safe bet. Thinking about trying my hand at adding them to my VO fenders. Riv offers just the plastic thingies, but I'm guessing you'd also need new

[RBW] Re: 7/19 BLUG broken Sam

2013-07-26 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
It's actually pretty hard for a stick to get through the spokes of a wheel with a reasonable spoke count. Not impossible, mind you, but difficult. I've flipped sticks into one side - snapping a spoke, but never all the way through. (Mythbusters actually did a good segment on shoving a

[RBW] Re: 7/19 BLUG broken Sam

2013-07-25 Thread stevef
Yeah, scary pic. I wonder if the stick or whatever actually got stuck in the spokes rather than under the fender? On Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:36:37 PM UTC-4, rw1911 wrote: I may be naive, but just can't see how a *stick* could do such damage. I haven't had the displeasure, but imagine it

Re: [RBW] Re: 7/19 BLUG broken Sam

2013-07-25 Thread Tom Virgil
Hello, I am immensely relieved to hear that this worked. I had SKS fenders installed on my build at Rivendell (Jared assured me they are quite precise about this installation) and, having researched this, I was glad to know that SKS fenders have the QR feature. I do have the Secu-Clip on

[RBW] Re: 7/19 BLUG broken Sam

2013-07-24 Thread clayton
I learned somewhere to always have the fender close to the tire by the mudflap and have the gap between fender and tire open up as it gets closer to the front of the fender. This way, a stick has a better chance of getting dislodged before it gets sucked into a narrower and narrower passage

Re: [RBW] Re: 7/19 BLUG broken Sam

2013-07-24 Thread erik jensen
downhill shredding is best done fenderless and with minimal safety equipment. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to

Re: [RBW] Re: 7/19 BLUG broken Sam

2013-07-24 Thread William
Joe B said: I'm having a hard time re-creating the dread happening here. How was the fender attached to the crown that would let it rotate forward like that? I totally agree with you that part is a head scratcher. If there ever was that clippy thing, it definitely broke, and it definitely

Re: [RBW] Re: 7/19 BLUG broken Sam

2013-07-24 Thread Will
I think you've got it right. The fender struts rotated into (and through) the fork crown area. It's clear if you look at the two pictures. What's less clear but also a contributing factor is... as the blades deform, the wheel shifts enough to move the brake pads from the rim area onto the

[RBW] Re: 7/19 BLUG broken Sam

2013-07-23 Thread William
Yeah, it totally can. If the front wheel is locked, and if the front tire cannot slide, and the rider + cargo is pretty heavy, the fork absolutely can fold before the rider goes over the bars.If it was on dirt the front tire would have most likely slid before the fork buckled. If it was

[RBW] Re: 7/19 BLUG broken Sam

2013-07-23 Thread justinaugust
I won't lie- even the small chance of this happening has me gulping. I wonder if Honjo, VO, Gran Bois or others have looked into making QR connections ala SKS for metal fenders? -J -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To

Re: [RBW] Re: 7/19 BLUG broken Sam

2013-07-23 Thread Peter Morgano
I think those companies would be aware of QR connections on fenders but most likely ruled them out on style issues. You are sacrificing some safety for style points, its all about your choice. I ride VO fenders but with Hetres on the Bombadil I have tons of room under there and it would take some

[RBW] Re: 7/19 BLUG broken Sam

2013-07-23 Thread Will
It can. It happened to me. Stick followed the tire into the fender. Fender collapsed into fork crown. Immediate endo. Landed on head. Helmets definitely help once in a while. Both blades deformed. Top and down tube deformed. Major pain in rear. Do not ride fenders without release

Re: [RBW] Re: 7/19 BLUG broken Sam

2013-07-23 Thread Patrick Moore
Jan Heine, who advocates aluminum fenders, claims that well mounted Honjos, Berthouds and ilk don't really have this risk. You can probably find his reasons on his blog (http://janheine.wordpress.com/), but it seems to me that well installed fenders, with a small gap between trailing edge and

Re: [RBW] Re: 7/19 BLUG broken Sam

2013-07-23 Thread Tim McNamara
A month or two ago I was piddling along on my bike with SKS fenders with the little QR thingies. I picked up a stick somehow that got slammed into the stays, which popped out of the QR and no problem. Surprised the heck out of me and I had to stop and put the stays back into the QR, but that

Re: [RBW] Re: 7/19 BLUG broken Sam

2013-07-23 Thread Joe Broach
First and mainly, glad the rider will be OK. Second, I'm having a hard time re-creating the dread happening here. How was the fender attached to the crown that would let it rotate forward like that? What I've read from more experienced riders (e.g. Jan Heine) is that metal fenders don't require

Re: [RBW] Re: 7/19 BLUG broken Sam

2013-07-23 Thread ted
Since Jan has posted here in the past, and is a good friend of Grant, perhaps he will enquire into the specifics of this event and offer his views on the relative safety of various fenders and fender installations here. He as previously stated on his blog that: Regarding safety, I have asked