[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-12 Thread Justin August
Last night I dropped off my significant other at her end-of-the- accelerated nursing program party on the University of Penn's campus in Philly.I pulled over into the dropoff lane (a real lane) and let her out. as I was about to pull out, I look into my sideview mirror to check if everything's

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-12 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Amen... On Dec 12, 9:49 am, Justin August justinaug...@gmail.com wrote: Last night I dropped off my significant other at her end-of-the- accelerated nursing program party on the University of Penn's campus in Philly.I pulled over into the dropoff lane (a real lane) and let her out. as I was

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-11 Thread Angus
...@sbcglobal.net wrote: http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/back-off-triangle/31-460 From: newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, December 10, 2010 12:15:36 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-11 Thread EricP
My own short way of thinking about it is I am invisible. My bikes have one or two tail lights, a couple of headlights. Usually wear a reflective vest and my bags have reflecting areas on them. With the way drivers generally react, am still totally and completely invisible. There are limits to

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-11 Thread Montclair BobbyB
Actually this was much better than karaoke... I had a great dinner at the pub and enjoyed 3 great beers, including one of my favorites, Ommegang Rare Vos... I was looking forward to a nice ride home, so I started up the canal path, when I encountered a veritable mob of cyclists (with blinding

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-11 Thread Kelly
That is complete garbage to suggest a driver be responsible for not hitting you no matter how dark or unlit up you are. Law should and does in some places require lights. Just because you get run over by a car doesn't make you a victim. The person that hits the idiot that ran the stop or didn't

Re: [RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-11 Thread erik jensen
nope, wrong. yes you follow the law, but if you run into a car without its lights on from behind you're still partly liable. you have eyes, powerful headlights, and an obligation to drive at a reasonable speed for conditions such that you can brake for *anything* in the road adequately. what is

Re: [RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-11 Thread Ray Shine
Erik wrote: never an excuse to hit a cyclist or pedestrian, period. Hogwash! If a motorist does not have sufficient time and distance to avoid a collision, then there is a very legitimate excuse for colliding with a cyclist. I don't know where Erik

Re: [RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-11 Thread Kelly
nope, wrong. yes you follow the law, but if you run into a car without its lights on from behind you're still partly liable. you have eyes, powerful headlights, and an obligation to drive at a reasonable speed for conditions such that you can brake for anything in the road adequately. To many

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-11 Thread newenglandbike
motorists are always putting everyone else in harms way, diminishing quality of life, contributing to health problems and increased mortality, making everyone subsidize their actions through state and federal taxes, necessitating wars in foreign countries for oil field security, impelling

Re: [RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-11 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Sat, 2010-12-11 at 18:55 -0800, newenglandbike wrote: motorists are always putting everyone else in harms way, diminishing quality of life, contributing to health problems and increased mortality, making everyone subsidize their actions through state and federal taxes, necessitating wars in

Re: [RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-11 Thread erik jensen
my point was intended to question the notions floating in this thread about right/wrong, intentional/accidental that seem grounded in a sort of strange sort of positivism grown from tired traffic laws based in patently false traffic engineering theory. i don't own a car, and i think most don't

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread JoelMatthews
I do not have a car, so am often tempted to ride the bike when and where conditions are less than optimal. Over the years I have had enough close calls that when things get really bad I either take mass transit, a taxi, walk or stay put. I want to enjoy cycling, not endure. On Dec 10, 7:00 am,

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread stevep33
Joel, Couldn't agree more. Fortunately, having quality lights, fenders, tires etc making riding in sub-optimal (but not hideous) conditions quite fun. There is a certain satisfaction with adapting to the elements, and appetite for that sort of challenge varies widely among riders. And it blows

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread newenglandbike
I'm in the same situation, w/no car. but, it's 16 miles to work with no public transportation available, and I don't want to take a taxi.Of course now it's dark when I leave at night.I use reflective gear and lights, and it's all back roads, and it would not be dangerous at all if it

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread stevep33
11F, Congrats. This northeast cold snap is too sudden for me. I don't even know where my balaclava is right now. On Dec 10, 9:16 am, newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com wrote: I'm in the same situation, w/no car.   but, it's 16 miles to work with no public transportation available, and I

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread JoelMatthews
Cold is tolerable. I have ridden in sub-zero temps. Like the rest of you, I use very bright (BM and Schmidt) lights. The heavy wet snows we frequently get in Chicago are what get me off the bike. To much snow shrinks the streets and impacts stop and turning - mine and the cars. Almost as bad,

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread newenglandbike
Yeah, Boston also seems to shoot for this 'critical mass' of salt, although I can't say if it's as bad as Chicago. On Dec 10, 9:57 am, JoelMatthews joelmatth...@mac.com wrote: Almost as bad, Chicago likes to achieve critical mass with the road salt.  I have to spend 20 minutes cleaning the

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread Christian
I can remember about 12 or so years ago sitting in my living room on a cold and icy night in the winter in Missoula. I saw bike whiz by the busy street outside--no lights, no reflective gear, no helmet. Plenty of ice and snow on the street. I thought and then said to my wife: there's Darwin at

RE: [RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread jim phillips
I have great admiration for all of you who can ride in those kinds of conditions. But, I do feel that safety has to always be an over riding consideration. best, JimP Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 05:13:26 -0800 Subject: [RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary? From: joelmatth

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread RoadieRyan
thefamil...@hotmail.com wrote: I have great admiration for all of you who can ride in those kinds of conditions. But, I do feel that safety has to always be an over riding consideration. best, JimP Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 05:13:26 -0800 Subject: [RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread newenglandbike
Also, don't forget to light yourself up like a christmas tree when you walk your dog, so the guy in the 3000 lb. 50mph deth machine, on his way to buys scratch-tickets at 7-11, can see you. Sorry, I can't help myself. I'm all for riding with lights and reflective gear, and do it myself, but take

Re: [RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread Steve Palincsar
On Fri, 2010-12-10 at 11:20 -0800, newenglandbike wrote: I'm all for riding with lights and reflective gear, and do it myself, but take umbrage to the blame-the-victim attitude that puts the responsibility for not getting hit by a car on all on the cyclist. What about pedestrians, should they

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread newenglandbike
Drivers.. they're you and me. They're not me... i don't drive. nor do many others. Most who don't, can't afford to own a car. That's the real world. On Dec 10, 2:36 pm, Steve Palincsar palin...@his.com wrote: On Fri, 2010-12-10 at 11:20 -0800, newenglandbike wrote: I'm all for riding

Re: [RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread Ray Shine
Yes. newenglandbike wrote: What about pedestrians, should they be all ablaze too? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW Owners Bunch group. To post to this group, send email to

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread Allan in Portland
I live in northern Vt, one ride below the 45th parallel. Point of order, point of order! The Cascadia contingent would like to clarify that the only states intersecting the 45th parallel east of the Great Lakes are New Hampshire and Maine. Carry on, :-) -Allan -- You received this message

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread newenglandbike
Ray, you didn't answer the second part of the question: What about people who can't afford to keep CatEye in business? ... And let's not forget wildlife.I assume deer, moose and racoon should be responsible for acquiring and using their own battery- powered hi-viz gear.I guess for pets,

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread Montclair BobbyB
It's a shared responsibility, period... AND a matter of common sense. We debate this topic ad nauseum within the cycling community in my home state of NJ, in terms of who has what rights, and who has accountability... Although I'd much rather be cycling than driving, I spend far more time as a

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread William
The biggest sacrifice from the big BobbyB will be if he forgoes pint number 11 in the interest of keeping his head about him. We'll see if he can take his convictions that far On Dec 10, 12:38 pm, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: It's a shared responsibility, period... AND

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread Montclair BobbyB
You give me WAY too much credit, friend... I'm a cheap date. 2 pints is my max... 3 and I'm singing old Bread tunes on the Karaoke machine. But either way, I ALWAYS ride in control, thank you. Peace, BB On Dec 10, 4:13 pm, William tapebu...@gmail.com wrote: The biggest sacrifice from the big

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread MichaelH
actually the parallel is right at the border, about 30 miles from my home. On Dec 10, 3:04 pm, Allan in Portland allan_f...@aracnet.com wrote: I live in northern Vt, one ride below the 45th parallel. Point of order, point of order! The Cascadia contingent would like to clarify that the only

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread RoadieRyan
BB You took the words right out of my mouth- shared responsibility. NEBike I do not absolve Motorist of blame, people (myself included) do need to slow down when its dark put down the cell phone and pay attention. But IMHO riding a bike in the dark with no lights and dark clothing greatly

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread JoelMatthews
Nice rant. Now back in the real world, if you are virtually invisible in the dark you certainly have yourself to blame if someone fails to see you and runs into you. Responsibility is shared, and if you're wearing nighttime camouflage -- dark clothing, no lighting, no reflectors, dark

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread JoelMatthews
3 and I'm singing old Bread tunes on the Karaoke machine. For all our sakes we definitely hope you stick with 2! On Dec 10, 3:24 pm, Montclair BobbyB montclairbob...@gmail.com wrote: You give me WAY too much credit, friend...  I'm a cheap date. 2 pints is my max... 3 and I'm singing old

Re: [RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread Ray Shine
http://www.rivbike.com/products/show/back-off-triangle/31-460 From: newenglandbike matthiasbe...@gmail.com To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, December 10, 2010 12:15:36 PM Subject: [RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread Allan in Portland
actually the parallel is right at the border, about 30 miles from my home. My bad. For some reason when I read that the first time it registered as Vi, as in Virginia. Yeah, I should be wearing glasses. -Allan -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups RBW

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread William
Furthermore, the Empire State of New York peeks above the 45th Parallel for a few km as it follows the contour of the St Lawrence. Not that we're getting nitpicky or anything. On Dec 10, 4:39 pm, Allan in Portland allan_f...@aracnet.com wrote: actually the parallel is right at the border, about

[RBW] Re: Brave, Foolish, or maybe necessary?

2010-12-10 Thread SFF
Along with a nice set of lights/reflectors/bright clothing etc...the 'ol Back-Off-Triangle provides a little added peace of mind for me. I'm able to get out of work just in time to avoid dark, dark conditions but lights are a must have. On a positive note, the shortest day of the year is coming